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Poorly, Apple is one of the best at hardware when it comes to a11y. Even their smart watches are great when reading their data viz's: https://fossheim.io/writi

Poorly, Apple is one of the best at hardware when it comes to a11y. Even their smart watches are great when reading their data viz's: https://fossheim.io/writing/posts/apple-health-dataviz-a11y/ https://fossheim.io/writing/posts/apple-health-dataviz-a11y/

Jtsummers 5y ago
Off topic, but where did this "-11y" thing come from for words like "accessibility"? Why not just write "accessibility", when that's more accessible to people who aren't in the in-group that has decided on a bizarre abbreviation?
- vmladenov 5y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numeronym https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numeronym > According to Tex Texin, the first numeronym of this kind was "S12n", the electronic mail account name given to Digital Equipment Corporation (DEC) employee Jan Scherpenhuizen by a system administrator because his surname was too long to be an account name. By 1985, colleagues who found Jan's name unpronounceable often referred to him verbally as "S12n" (ess-twelve-en). The use of such numeronyms became part of DEC corporate culture.
  - Jtsummers 5y ago
    Yeah, I just found a few others like it. I'll still contend it's a great way to bar people from a conversation because it means nothing to the majority. Which seems like a bizarre choice for a topic called "accessibility".
  - mikestew 5y ago
    I don't think that people who can't be bothered to learn the pronunciation of their coworker's names are people to be emulated. We learned "Schwarzenegger", we can learn how to pronounce Jan's name, I'm sure.
    - jodrellblank 5y ago
      > "We learned "Schwarzenegger"" After crediting him as "Arnold Strong" in his first film and dubbing over his voice. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hercules_in_New_York#Production https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hercules_in_New_York#Productio...
- mcphage 5y ago
  It has become common for a lot of longer words that are a pain in the butt to type over and over again. Accessibility -> a11n, internationalization -> i18n, kubernetes -> k8s, etc. I am also curious about the origins, though.
  - Jtsummers 5y ago
    vmladenov has it right, follow that link. I get it, it made sense once I actually counted out the letters. Still an awkward way to choose to communicate with other people.
    - mcphage 5y ago
      Ah, that's helpful, thanks—we must have posted at roughly the same time. It's... eh. I don't love it, I don't hate it. On the other hand, I don't especially like typing "internationalization" repeatedly, either :-) Once in a while is fine, but when you're trying to have a conversation about it, and have to type it over and over... it gets old.
      - Jtsummers 5y ago
        It should be treated like other abbreviations. If I want to comment on "JCL", it likely means nothing to the majority here (though more may catch on to my meaning with context). I should write "Job Control Language (JCL) ..." and then I can use the abbreviated form elsewhere in the comment and any ensuing discussion. If I'm writing within a context where JCL is well-known (like to people who are largely embedded in the IBM mainframe world), then I wouldn't need to spell it out. It's like any other jargon, you have to know who your audience is. You can use the jargon, but you have to clarify it or you're more likely to confuse or annoy people.
        mcphage 5y ago
        Yeah, I agree. And I do think it's a benefit when you're having a conversation about one of those words, and so will be reading/writing it over and over. But as you point out, to casually use it once in a conversation would more likely be confusing or annoying, unless you know the people you're talking to are already aware of it.
- mikestew 5y ago
  If the "in-group" think themselves clever (or whatever thinking gets you to spell "accessibility" in such a manner), they should use a text expansion utility so that their tender fingertips can be preserved, while at the same time saving the rest of us from having to translate. I'd bet money most folks that type ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ aren't typing each character by hand. Or maybe they are, and they're just better people than I am. :-)
  - azemetre 5y ago
    This is a very odd and hostile take, it's very common in tech communities to use numeronyms, take kubernetes being commonly abbreviated as k8s. Or working on internationalism as i18n.

Jtsummers 5y ago

Off topic, but where did this "-11y" thing come from for words like "accessibility"? Why not just write "accessibility", when that's more accessible to people who aren't in the in-group that has decided on a bizarre abbreviation?

vmladenov 5y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numeronym https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numeronym > According to Tex Texin, the first numeronym of this kind was "S12n", the electronic mail account name given to Digital Equipment Corporation (DEC) employee Jan Scherpenhuizen by a system administrator because his surname was too long to be an account name. By 1985, colleagues who found Jan's name unpronounceable often referred to him verbally as "S12n" (ess-twelve-en). The use of such numeronyms became part of DEC corporate culture.
- Jtsummers 5y ago
  Yeah, I just found a few others like it. I'll still contend it's a great way to bar people from a conversation because it means nothing to the majority. Which seems like a bizarre choice for a topic called "accessibility".
- mikestew 5y ago
  I don't think that people who can't be bothered to learn the pronunciation of their coworker's names are people to be emulated. We learned "Schwarzenegger", we can learn how to pronounce Jan's name, I'm sure.
  - jodrellblank 5y ago
    > "We learned "Schwarzenegger"" After crediting him as "Arnold Strong" in his first film and dubbing over his voice. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hercules_in_New_York#Production https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hercules_in_New_York#Productio...
mcphage 5y ago
It has become common for a lot of longer words that are a pain in the butt to type over and over again. Accessibility -> a11n, internationalization -> i18n, kubernetes -> k8s, etc. I am also curious about the origins, though.
- Jtsummers 5y ago
  vmladenov has it right, follow that link. I get it, it made sense once I actually counted out the letters. Still an awkward way to choose to communicate with other people.
  - mcphage 5y ago
    Ah, that's helpful, thanks—we must have posted at roughly the same time. It's... eh. I don't love it, I don't hate it. On the other hand, I don't especially like typing "internationalization" repeatedly, either :-) Once in a while is fine, but when you're trying to have a conversation about it, and have to type it over and over... it gets old.
    - Jtsummers 5y ago
      It should be treated like other abbreviations. If I want to comment on "JCL", it likely means nothing to the majority here (though more may catch on to my meaning with context). I should write "Job Control Language (JCL) ..." and then I can use the abbreviated form elsewhere in the comment and any ensuing discussion. If I'm writing within a context where JCL is well-known (like to people who are largely embedded in the IBM mainframe world), then I wouldn't need to spell it out. It's like any other jargon, you have to know who your audience is. You can use the jargon, but you have to clarify it or you're more likely to confuse or annoy people.
      - mcphage 5y ago
        Yeah, I agree. And I do think it's a benefit when you're having a conversation about one of those words, and so will be reading/writing it over and over. But as you point out, to casually use it once in a conversation would more likely be confusing or annoying, unless you know the people you're talking to are already aware of it.
mikestew 5y ago
If the "in-group" think themselves clever (or whatever thinking gets you to spell "accessibility" in such a manner), they should use a text expansion utility so that their tender fingertips can be preserved, while at the same time saving the rest of us from having to translate. I'd bet money most folks that type ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ aren't typing each character by hand. Or maybe they are, and they're just better people than I am. :-)
- azemetre 5y ago
  This is a very odd and hostile take, it's very common in tech communities to use numeronyms, take kubernetes being commonly abbreviated as k8s. Or working on internationalism as i18n.