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Ethics is by definition subjective. You should define why your subjective ethical good should override the real good of much less cancer.

by txru 5y ago

slumdev 5y ago
"Can't stop my kid from sleeping around, but at least he/she won't get cancer", and harm reduction efforts, in general, are consequentialist. Some academics devote their entire lives to the development of moral theories, and the majority of them aren't consequentialist. There are other ways to reason about decision making. These efforts don't work, anyway. Thanks to the sexual "revolution" and promiscuity being viewed as morally neutral (if not positive) in today's world, we now have multi-drug-resistant strains of gonorrhea, syphilis, and chlamydia. No doubt, if we develop leaky vaccines against common STDs, we'll just end up breeding vaccine-resistant strains of them.
- cassepipe 5y ago
  Believe it or not but for some of us making love with different people is part of what makes life worth being lived. But why do you care? You are not "sleeping around" or, are you? Btw, ever heard of condoms?
  - slumdev 5y ago
    Previous partner count correlates with likelihood of divorce. People who sleep around are damaged goods, both physiologically and psychologically.
    - ceejayoz 5y ago
      > Previous partner count correlates with likelihood of divorce. Neat! People have a better baseline for what's acceptable in a relationship, and don't settle for "at least they're not beating me" out of ignorance.
- ceejayoz 5y ago
  > we now have multi-drug-resistant strains of gonorrhea, syphilis, and chlamydia Each of these were quite prevalent before we had the drugs. They just went untreated.
- txru 5y ago
  The problem with deontological arguments is, they tend to develop along lines that people are comfortable with. Isn't it interesting that we find it immoral to think of people besides ourselves having sex, or sex that we dislike? As a gay man, I'm thrilled your deontology doesn't define my world anymore. Your drug-resistant STI argument is circular. If we hadn't treated those, we would've been breeding grounds for rampant STIs anyway-- whether they would've been drug-resistant would be immaterial. And in a world where we acknowledge that promiscuity is a trait that displays in humans, whether they're shunned for it or not, we can provide open and honest education on how to handle that sex safely.
- stjohnswarts 5y ago
  Humans have sex it's as simple as that. It's as natural as breathing and we're always one generation from dying out. The vaccines should be inexpensive and available to all. I love capitalism but not when it gets in the way of healthcare for all.

Ethics is by definition subjective. You should define why your subjective ethical good should override the real good of much less cancer.

by txru 5y ago

Ethics is by definition subjective. You should define why your subjective ethical good should override the real good of much less cancer.

slumdev 5y ago

"Can't stop my kid from sleeping around, but at least he/she won't get cancer", and harm reduction efforts, in general, are consequentialist. Some academics devote their entire lives to the development of moral theories, and the majority of them aren't consequentialist. There are other ways to reason about decision making. These efforts don't work, anyway. Thanks to the sexual "revolution" and promiscuity being viewed as morally neutral (if not positive) in today's world, we now have multi-drug-resistant strains of gonorrhea, syphilis, and chlamydia. No doubt, if we develop leaky vaccines against common STDs, we'll just end up breeding vaccine-resistant strains of them.

cassepipe 5y ago
Believe it or not but for some of us making love with different people is part of what makes life worth being lived. But why do you care? You are not "sleeping around" or, are you? Btw, ever heard of condoms?
- slumdev 5y ago
  Previous partner count correlates with likelihood of divorce. People who sleep around are damaged goods, both physiologically and psychologically.
  - ceejayoz 5y ago
    > Previous partner count correlates with likelihood of divorce. Neat! People have a better baseline for what's acceptable in a relationship, and don't settle for "at least they're not beating me" out of ignorance.
ceejayoz 5y ago
> we now have multi-drug-resistant strains of gonorrhea, syphilis, and chlamydia Each of these were quite prevalent before we had the drugs. They just went untreated.
txru 5y ago
The problem with deontological arguments is, they tend to develop along lines that people are comfortable with. Isn't it interesting that we find it immoral to think of people besides ourselves having sex, or sex that we dislike? As a gay man, I'm thrilled your deontology doesn't define my world anymore. Your drug-resistant STI argument is circular. If we hadn't treated those, we would've been breeding grounds for rampant STIs anyway-- whether they would've been drug-resistant would be immaterial. And in a world where we acknowledge that promiscuity is a trait that displays in humans, whether they're shunned for it or not, we can provide open and honest education on how to handle that sex safely.
stjohnswarts 5y ago
Humans have sex it's as simple as that. It's as natural as breathing and we're always one generation from dying out. The vaccines should be inexpensive and available to all. I love capitalism but not when it gets in the way of healthcare for all.