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Even the CDC admits you can still transmit the virus if you're vaccinated and that the viral load is equal to an unvaccinated person, so my vaccination wouldn't

Even the CDC admits you can still transmit the virus if you're vaccinated and that the viral load is equal to an unvaccinated person, so my vaccination wouldn't protect your parents anyway. As you say, I "argue on the internet" because my freedom is stolen with the help of people so in fear that they can't think rationally anymore. I will NEVER let anyone dictate what to inject in my body and I would defend your right and anyone's to choose for themselves. In 10 years your country and mine won't be recognizable because we will have let the politicians transform democracies in dictatorships since the majority was blindsided by an overblown fear. Make no mistakes, I am not your enemy, the politicians that are pitting us against each other are.

bdamm 5y ago
A vaccinated person has equal viral load to an unvaccinated person? That's not substantiated by any of the available evidence AFAIK. Early on the question was "can a vaccinated person transmit the virus?" and the answer to that question is yes; but, even with a low viral load, that can still be the case. So the vaccinated person can end up transmitting, but not as much, as an unvaccinated person. If the person asking the question wants just a yes or no answer, then the answer has to be yes. But that's not the full picture.
- jmnicolas 5y ago
  > As the Associated Press notes, Walensky cited data from the last few days, still unpublished, taken from 100 samples from vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals with COVID infections. They found that the amount of virus in the noses and throats of vaccinated infected people was nearly "indistinguishable" from what was found in unvaccinated people, confirming what some experts have suspected. https://sfist.com/2021/07/27/cdc-confirms-that-viral-loads-in-vaccinated-people-with-delta-are-indistinguishable-from-unvaccinated/ https://sfist.com/2021/07/27/cdc-confirms-that-viral-loads-i...
  - tptacek 5y ago
    Yes, but the information we have now is that viral load declines much more quickly in vaccinated people than non-vaccinated people. These kinds of discussions where we just fling links we've barely read at each other never go anywhere, and it'd better if this unproductive thread wound itself up now.

bdamm 5y ago

A vaccinated person has equal viral load to an unvaccinated person? That's not substantiated by any of the available evidence AFAIK. Early on the question was "can a vaccinated person transmit the virus?" and the answer to that question is yes; but, even with a low viral load, that can still be the case. So the vaccinated person can end up transmitting, but not as much, as an unvaccinated person. If the person asking the question wants just a yes or no answer, then the answer has to be yes. But that's not the full picture.

jmnicolas 5y ago
> As the Associated Press notes, Walensky cited data from the last few days, still unpublished, taken from 100 samples from vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals with COVID infections. They found that the amount of virus in the noses and throats of vaccinated infected people was nearly "indistinguishable" from what was found in unvaccinated people, confirming what some experts have suspected. https://sfist.com/2021/07/27/cdc-confirms-that-viral-loads-in-vaccinated-people-with-delta-are-indistinguishable-from-unvaccinated/ https://sfist.com/2021/07/27/cdc-confirms-that-viral-loads-i...
- tptacek 5y ago
  Yes, but the information we have now is that viral load declines much more quickly in vaccinated people than non-vaccinated people. These kinds of discussions where we just fling links we've barely read at each other never go anywhere, and it'd better if this unproductive thread wound itself up now.