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I think I'm done with HN. It has become like a hivemind, it's absolutely impossible to say anything contrarian about the vaccines and COVID in general. You hav

I think I'm done with HN. It has become like a hivemind, it's absolutely impossible to say anything contrarian about the vaccines and COVID in general. You have a perfectly sensible comment, you're already downvoted as if you said the earth is flat. Very disappointing.

mrfusion 5y ago
Stick with it. If the opposing voices leave then it will get even more one sided. Just save up karma for the rainy days.
phillipcarter 5y ago
> you're already downvoted as if you said the earth is flat. That's because you're drawing conclusions from data that are not that far off from "the earth is flat".
- native_samples 5y ago
  Claims about Delta being "more infectious" are the same claim that was made for all the others. Dig into how they try to calculate that and you'll find the exact type of models that have repeatedly failed so far. Remember: the UK released most of its restrictions, including masks and lockdowns in a so-called "freedom day". Experts said the country was performing a dangerous experiment on the entire world. Cases started plunging just three days later. To compare people pointing out the proven, beyond any doubt unreliability of claims about COVID to flat earthers shows just how ideological and blind this whole thing has become.
  - Izkata 5y ago
    Most Republican states in the US dropped restrictions last year and cases aren't skyrocketing. People just don't talk about them.
    - phillipcarter 5y ago
      Cases aren't skyrocketing? Have you...looked at the South recently?
      - Izkata 5y ago
        > recently So you're confirming what I said? "Last year" isn't "recently", meaning the current rise has nothing to do with dropping restrictions. More than anything else it looks like it's fully seasonal, with timing of the the drops and rises this year matching last year pretty closely regardless of restrictions.
  - phillipcarter 5y ago
    > just how ideological and blind this whole thing has become. Yes, I agree that COVID denialism and antivax feelings are this way. :)
Omnius 5y ago
I site based on tech and science and you are confused why the majority or pro vax? Did you ever consider you just flat out wrong?
bigcorp-slave 5y ago
Good riddance. You and your Neanderthal ilk are poison and killing people. History will remember people like you as murderers and cowards.
- jmnicolas 5y ago
  Thanks for your kind words I guess. Please remember your comment and reflect on it in 10 years when the politicians will have stole all of your freedoms and you won't be able to do anything in life without being tracked, judged and denied.
  - bigcorp-slave 5y ago
    You’re twenty years too late for this sentiment. You’re already tracked constantly by everything around you. The vaccines are not a useful method of tracking or control. Computers and cameras are much better.
    - jmnicolas 5y ago
      I was speaking about the QRCODES which are mandatory to vote, go to the hospital, shopping mall and restaurants in France.
- native_samples 5y ago
  My god the insanity here is wildly out of control. As he has pointed out, vaccines don't stop transmission in any way, so people's individual choices about whether to get vaccinated or not is absolutely not making them "killing people" or "murderers". If you really want to go there, consider that people are definitely being killed by the vaccines themselves, that is proven beyond doubt now. So it's easy to turn that around and say those trying to push vaccines on people who don't need them are the "murderers".
  - octaonalocto 5y ago
    This is a ridiculous comment. 1. Vaccines do stop transmission because they make it less likely your internal systems will get infected 2. Vaccines also prevent hospitalizations very effectively 3. Known side effects from the vaccine are very, very low. Much lower than the risk of getting COVID, for the same health outcomes. 4. Getting COVID (the bad outcome caused by the virus) has some chance at Long Covid. The vaccine reduces this because it makes it less likely you get the syndrome after infection.
weaksauce 5y ago
yeah, maybe just maybe it's because you are spreading nonsense on a forum that likes the thoughts to be backed by evidence and not wild speculation and spurious conclusions. reflect. honestly if you weren't on the internet you'd just be that weird guy at the bar spouting conspiracy theories and blaming the "man" but instead you're here on an international forum doing the same with the same "weight" as some industry titans and other thought leaders.

mrfusion 5y ago

Stick with it. If the opposing voices leave then it will get even more one sided. Just save up karma for the rainy days.

phillipcarter 5y ago

> you're already downvoted as if you said the earth is flat. That's because you're drawing conclusions from data that are not that far off from "the earth is flat".

native_samples 5y ago
Claims about Delta being "more infectious" are the same claim that was made for all the others. Dig into how they try to calculate that and you'll find the exact type of models that have repeatedly failed so far. Remember: the UK released most of its restrictions, including masks and lockdowns in a so-called "freedom day". Experts said the country was performing a dangerous experiment on the entire world. Cases started plunging just three days later. To compare people pointing out the proven, beyond any doubt unreliability of claims about COVID to flat earthers shows just how ideological and blind this whole thing has become.
- Izkata 5y ago
  Most Republican states in the US dropped restrictions last year and cases aren't skyrocketing. People just don't talk about them.
  - phillipcarter 5y ago
    Cases aren't skyrocketing? Have you...looked at the South recently?
    - Izkata 5y ago
      > recently So you're confirming what I said? "Last year" isn't "recently", meaning the current rise has nothing to do with dropping restrictions. More than anything else it looks like it's fully seasonal, with timing of the the drops and rises this year matching last year pretty closely regardless of restrictions.
- phillipcarter 5y ago
  > just how ideological and blind this whole thing has become. Yes, I agree that COVID denialism and antivax feelings are this way. :)

Omnius 5y ago

I site based on tech and science and you are confused why the majority or pro vax? Did you ever consider you just flat out wrong?

bigcorp-slave 5y ago

Good riddance. You and your Neanderthal ilk are poison and killing people. History will remember people like you as murderers and cowards.

jmnicolas 5y ago
Thanks for your kind words I guess. Please remember your comment and reflect on it in 10 years when the politicians will have stole all of your freedoms and you won't be able to do anything in life without being tracked, judged and denied.
- bigcorp-slave 5y ago
  You’re twenty years too late for this sentiment. You’re already tracked constantly by everything around you. The vaccines are not a useful method of tracking or control. Computers and cameras are much better.
  - jmnicolas 5y ago
    I was speaking about the QRCODES which are mandatory to vote, go to the hospital, shopping mall and restaurants in France.
native_samples 5y ago
My god the insanity here is wildly out of control. As he has pointed out, vaccines don't stop transmission in any way, so people's individual choices about whether to get vaccinated or not is absolutely not making them "killing people" or "murderers". If you really want to go there, consider that people are definitely being killed by the vaccines themselves, that is proven beyond doubt now. So it's easy to turn that around and say those trying to push vaccines on people who don't need them are the "murderers".
- octaonalocto 5y ago
  This is a ridiculous comment. 1. Vaccines do stop transmission because they make it less likely your internal systems will get infected 2. Vaccines also prevent hospitalizations very effectively 3. Known side effects from the vaccine are very, very low. Much lower than the risk of getting COVID, for the same health outcomes. 4. Getting COVID (the bad outcome caused by the virus) has some chance at Long Covid. The vaccine reduces this because it makes it less likely you get the syndrome after infection.

weaksauce 5y ago

yeah, maybe just maybe it's because you are spreading nonsense on a forum that likes the thoughts to be backed by evidence and not wild speculation and spurious conclusions. reflect. honestly if you weren't on the internet you'd just be that weird guy at the bar spouting conspiracy theories and blaming the "man" but instead you're here on an international forum doing the same with the same "weight" as some industry titans and other thought leaders.