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Not everyone only risks mild disease, the vaccine isn't 100% effective on anyone and some have less ability to defend against the virus. Elderly, and immunocom

Not everyone only risks mild disease, the vaccine isn't 100% effective on anyone and some have less ability to defend against the virus. Elderly, and immunocompromised are the ones who willfully unvaccinated people put at risk. I don't want my parents to die so you can argue on the internet. There's also a timeline on this, the longer people wait to get vaccinated, the less time we have a strongly effective vaccine as it appears to reduce in effectiveness after six months. You're helping to cause this vicious cycle.

jmnicolas 5y ago
Even the CDC admits you can still transmit the virus if you're vaccinated and that the viral load is equal to an unvaccinated person, so my vaccination wouldn't protect your parents anyway. As you say, I "argue on the internet" because my freedom is stolen with the help of people so in fear that they can't think rationally anymore. I will NEVER let anyone dictate what to inject in my body and I would defend your right and anyone's to choose for themselves. In 10 years your country and mine won't be recognizable because we will have let the politicians transform democracies in dictatorships since the majority was blindsided by an overblown fear. Make no mistakes, I am not your enemy, the politicians that are pitting us against each other are.
- bdamm 5y ago
  A vaccinated person has equal viral load to an unvaccinated person? That's not substantiated by any of the available evidence AFAIK. Early on the question was "can a vaccinated person transmit the virus?" and the answer to that question is yes; but, even with a low viral load, that can still be the case. So the vaccinated person can end up transmitting, but not as much, as an unvaccinated person. If the person asking the question wants just a yes or no answer, then the answer has to be yes. But that's not the full picture.
  - jmnicolas 5y ago
    > As the Associated Press notes, Walensky cited data from the last few days, still unpublished, taken from 100 samples from vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals with COVID infections. They found that the amount of virus in the noses and throats of vaccinated infected people was nearly "indistinguishable" from what was found in unvaccinated people, confirming what some experts have suspected. https://sfist.com/2021/07/27/cdc-confirms-that-viral-loads-in-vaccinated-people-with-delta-are-indistinguishable-from-unvaccinated/ https://sfist.com/2021/07/27/cdc-confirms-that-viral-loads-i...
    - tptacek 5y ago
      Yes, but the information we have now is that viral load declines much more quickly in vaccinated people than non-vaccinated people. These kinds of discussions where we just fling links we've barely read at each other never go anywhere, and it'd better if this unproductive thread wound itself up now.
ikerdanzel 5y ago
At current stage, covid vaccines are mainly to reduce severity of infections with significant reduction in mortality. It doesn't really reduce spread of infections. Research has shown vaccinated individuals at least the same amount of load as unvacccinated. The general sayings of herd immunity with vaccinations can protect those unable to get vaccines don't apply for this situation. In fact, it will pretty much condemn those who don't get vaccinated when vast majority have been vaccinated and actively spread the infections.
34679 5y ago
The confusion you are spreading is the same as ignoring the difference between HIV and AIDs. If a vaccine was developed that prevented an HIV infection from causing AIDs, you would be the guy telling people it's safe to have unprotected sex even if you have HIV, as long as you're vaccinated. The mRNA vaccine does not prevent the infection from taking place, it prevents the infection from developing into the disease. mRNA vaccines do not prevent the spread of SARS-COV-2, they are highly effective at preventing a SARS-COV-2 infection from causing COVID-19.
- codezero 5y ago
  Which is why it's also important to wear a mask.
  - mensetmanusman 5y ago
    N95 since it spreads via aerosol
    - Amarok 5y ago
      it's pointless to mess around with N95 if you haven't been fit tested. That means close shaves every day. A good analogy would be playing 4K video on a machine that can only render 720p resolution. You'll get a lot more buffering (discomfort) with no improvement in quality (proven benefit).
      - mensetmanusman 5y ago
        Improper fitting N95s are still vastlt more effective than proper and improper worn cloth masks, that’s due to the electret fiber charge :)
        codezero 5y ago
        I love this thread.
fidesomnes 5y ago
imagine being this fanatical about something that is not true.

jmnicolas 5y ago

Even the CDC admits you can still transmit the virus if you're vaccinated and that the viral load is equal to an unvaccinated person, so my vaccination wouldn't protect your parents anyway. As you say, I "argue on the internet" because my freedom is stolen with the help of people so in fear that they can't think rationally anymore. I will NEVER let anyone dictate what to inject in my body and I would defend your right and anyone's to choose for themselves. In 10 years your country and mine won't be recognizable because we will have let the politicians transform democracies in dictatorships since the majority was blindsided by an overblown fear. Make no mistakes, I am not your enemy, the politicians that are pitting us against each other are.

bdamm 5y ago
A vaccinated person has equal viral load to an unvaccinated person? That's not substantiated by any of the available evidence AFAIK. Early on the question was "can a vaccinated person transmit the virus?" and the answer to that question is yes; but, even with a low viral load, that can still be the case. So the vaccinated person can end up transmitting, but not as much, as an unvaccinated person. If the person asking the question wants just a yes or no answer, then the answer has to be yes. But that's not the full picture.
- jmnicolas 5y ago
  > As the Associated Press notes, Walensky cited data from the last few days, still unpublished, taken from 100 samples from vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals with COVID infections. They found that the amount of virus in the noses and throats of vaccinated infected people was nearly "indistinguishable" from what was found in unvaccinated people, confirming what some experts have suspected. https://sfist.com/2021/07/27/cdc-confirms-that-viral-loads-in-vaccinated-people-with-delta-are-indistinguishable-from-unvaccinated/ https://sfist.com/2021/07/27/cdc-confirms-that-viral-loads-i...
  - tptacek 5y ago
    Yes, but the information we have now is that viral load declines much more quickly in vaccinated people than non-vaccinated people. These kinds of discussions where we just fling links we've barely read at each other never go anywhere, and it'd better if this unproductive thread wound itself up now.

ikerdanzel 5y ago

At current stage, covid vaccines are mainly to reduce severity of infections with significant reduction in mortality. It doesn't really reduce spread of infections. Research has shown vaccinated individuals at least the same amount of load as unvacccinated. The general sayings of herd immunity with vaccinations can protect those unable to get vaccines don't apply for this situation. In fact, it will pretty much condemn those who don't get vaccinated when vast majority have been vaccinated and actively spread the infections.

34679 5y ago

The confusion you are spreading is the same as ignoring the difference between HIV and AIDs. If a vaccine was developed that prevented an HIV infection from causing AIDs, you would be the guy telling people it's safe to have unprotected sex even if you have HIV, as long as you're vaccinated. The mRNA vaccine does not prevent the infection from taking place, it prevents the infection from developing into the disease. mRNA vaccines do not prevent the spread of SARS-COV-2, they are highly effective at preventing a SARS-COV-2 infection from causing COVID-19.

codezero 5y ago
Which is why it's also important to wear a mask.
- mensetmanusman 5y ago
  N95 since it spreads via aerosol
  - Amarok 5y ago
    it's pointless to mess around with N95 if you haven't been fit tested. That means close shaves every day. A good analogy would be playing 4K video on a machine that can only render 720p resolution. You'll get a lot more buffering (discomfort) with no improvement in quality (proven benefit).
    - mensetmanusman 5y ago
      Improper fitting N95s are still vastlt more effective than proper and improper worn cloth masks, that’s due to the electret fiber charge :)
      - codezero 5y ago
        I love this thread.

fidesomnes 5y ago

imagine being this fanatical about something that is not true.