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No dogma. Most people are just tired of anti-vaxers and their excuses. Edit: this went downhill rather quickly :(

by zibzab 5y ago

logicchains 5y ago
Someone is as much anti-vax for not wanting the mRNA vax as someone is anti-Linux for not wanting to run the Gentoo nightly build as their operating systemm.
- ceejayoz 5y ago
  Nah. It's like Bill Gates in the 1990s writing a blog post about the latest Linux distribution and how dangerous the viral GPL within it is. You know they'll say it about any vaccine, and have been, and that the criticisms are disingenuous and frequently based in deliberate misconceptions.
jmnicolas 5y ago
Did you consider that I'm tired too? I have become a pariah in my own country (France), I am now forbidden to vote, go to a hospital (unless it's an emergency) , go in a shopping mall and go in a restaurant. But just explain me one thing please. If you trust the vaccine, why are you afraid of me, if it works you will be protected right?
- ceejayoz 5y ago
  > I have become a pariah in my own country (France), I am now forbidden to vote, go to a hospital (unless it's an emergency) , go in a shopping mall and go in a restaurant. None of this is true; you have the option of presenting a recent negative test result as an alternative.
  - jmnicolas 5y ago
    All of it is true since I refuse to be tracked like some cattle. This is a matter of principle. I'm a human being, not some cog in an inhuman system. Where's the logic to let people use the metro without any QRCODE but they can't go in a shopping mall? Anyway, soon the tests won't be free anymore. To have the same "freedom" as a vaccinated person would require to spend about 300€ per month.
    - tadfisher 5y ago
      You could also get vaccinated.
- majormajor 5y ago
  > But just explain me one thing please. If you trust the vaccine, why are you afraid of me, if it works you will be protected right? I care more about the people who a vaccine can't help (hopefullly I don't have to give you citations of why no existing vaccine we have for any disease can perfectly protect everyone) than I care about your decision to declare not getting a vaccine the "freedom!!!" hill you want to die on.

No dogma. Most people are just tired of anti-vaxers and their excuses. Edit: this went downhill rather quickly :(

by zibzab 5y ago

No dogma. Most people are just tired of anti-vaxers and their excuses. Edit: this went downhill rather quickly :(

Someone is as much anti-vax for not wanting the mRNA vax as someone is anti-Linux for not wanting to run the Gentoo nightly build as their operating systemm.

ceejayoz 5y ago
Nah. It's like Bill Gates in the 1990s writing a blog post about the latest Linux distribution and how dangerous the viral GPL within it is. You know they'll say it about any vaccine, and have been, and that the criticisms are disingenuous and frequently based in deliberate misconceptions.

jmnicolas 5y ago

Did you consider that I'm tired too? I have become a pariah in my own country (France), I am now forbidden to vote, go to a hospital (unless it's an emergency) , go in a shopping mall and go in a restaurant. But just explain me one thing please. If you trust the vaccine, why are you afraid of me, if it works you will be protected right?

ceejayoz 5y ago
> I have become a pariah in my own country (France), I am now forbidden to vote, go to a hospital (unless it's an emergency) , go in a shopping mall and go in a restaurant. None of this is true; you have the option of presenting a recent negative test result as an alternative.
- jmnicolas 5y ago
  All of it is true since I refuse to be tracked like some cattle. This is a matter of principle. I'm a human being, not some cog in an inhuman system. Where's the logic to let people use the metro without any QRCODE but they can't go in a shopping mall? Anyway, soon the tests won't be free anymore. To have the same "freedom" as a vaccinated person would require to spend about 300€ per month.
  - tadfisher 5y ago
    You could also get vaccinated.
majormajor 5y ago
> But just explain me one thing please. If you trust the vaccine, why are you afraid of me, if it works you will be protected right? I care more about the people who a vaccine can't help (hopefullly I don't have to give you citations of why no existing vaccine we have for any disease can perfectly protect everyone) than I care about your decision to declare not getting a vaccine the "freedom!!!" hill you want to die on.