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You know, its not impossible for millions of people to have long term side effects from COVID. The absolute overconfidence in its long term safety is based on n

You know, its not impossible for millions of people to have long term side effects from COVID. The absolute overconfidence in its long term safety is based on nothing other than wish full thinking. There are early signs, and warning from Doctors now. They just ignored and gaslighted by corporate media, and sadly people like you that don't know the history of previous accidents with vaccines. Early Polio Vaccines caused 40,000 children, and more than 50 paralyzed.

1053r 5y ago
The deep irony here is that you wrote "its not impossible for millions of people to have long term side effects from COVID." While it's clear from the rest of your post that you meant the vaccines, you accidentally ended up making your own counterpoint! It is ABSOLUTELY possible for millions of people to have long term side effects from COVID, the disease. It would be a brand new thing for a vaccine to give so many people side effects so long after the shot. No vaccine has ever given people side effects that didn't show up within about 6 weeks. Yes, some people had side effects from the Polio vaccine. But you know what was far more likely to cause lifelong side effects? Polio!
- daddylongstroke 5y ago
  >No vaccine has ever given people side effects that didn't show up within about 6 weeks. Why do you believe this is?
markenqualitaet 5y ago
I assume you mean the vaccine. "Long term effects" here doesn't mean what you think it means.... In the past, long term side effects were still occuring with weeks or few month after the shot. However, the statistical signal may be delayed for years or decades to manifest. It's very hard to think of a way how anything could cause side effect years down the line. Vaccines do not contain beryllium or asbestos. The mRNA vaccines do not even contain mercury or other heavy metals. Mind you, 'none' means less than a can of tuna. They do not remain in the body for long. None of it. That's why people aren't too worried, rationally. Long term effects whould have shown already. If you indeed mean COVID, I agree. There may be late long term effects, because of the diffuse organ damage and persistent infections. Of course any strong immune stimulation may slightly increase or decrease the risk for derailing or aging the immune system. Which may sooner, e.g. autoimmune disease risk, or later, e.g. lymphoma risk, manifest. For COVID it's a silly debate, because you will get infected or vaccinated in any case.
- LorenPechtel 5y ago
  The claim was that in some individuals the vaccine caused an auto-immune reaction. It seems to me that anyone who had that problem would have developed the same problem if they got the disease.
- dukeofdoom 5y ago
  Some people are worried, just you never get here from them because they are either censored or drowned out by the corporate press. Here's a doctor, you don't usually get to hear from raising concerns you don't seem think to exit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUE5EBPt-lU&t=1128s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUE5EBPt-lU&t=1128s
  - alexpw 5y ago
    Dr. Ryan Cole, a pathologist, appears to make serious claims related to covid vaccines without supporting evidence. Searching his name reveals he's being given a voice by some of the right-wing media, but if there was substance to what he had to say, other doctors, researchers, scientists, etc, would eagerly jump to verify and act on it. https://www.factcheck.org/2021/04/scicheck-idaho-doctor-makes-baseless-claims-about-safety-of-covid-19-vaccines/ https://www.factcheck.org/2021/04/scicheck-idaho-doctor-make...
    - inter_netuser 5y ago
      why would they? judging from comments on this forum alone, it would be a career suicide in this political climate.
ganafagol 5y ago
I'm confused. Do you mean the millions of "long covid" cases which already exist today? Or the estimate that about 70% of all people who got the vaccine will be dead within 3 years? I know which of these two I consider gaslighting.
- daddylongstroke 5y ago
  >Do you mean the millions of "long covid" cases which already exist today? Long covid has yet to be scientifically proven.
  - inter_netuser 5y ago
    post-infection syndromes are well established, and not unique to coronaviruses. It can occur after an infection with ANY pathogen, including covid-19. after any critical illness, doesn't even have to be an infection, with an ICU stay where intubation was required, the odds are ~50% you will be left with a permanent injury for life. However even after relatively moderate infection a permanent lifelong injury may remain. https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/21161-post-intensive-care-syndrome-pics https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/21161-post-in... It's not like injuries are binary: dead or alive. you could also end up alive, but in a wheelchair with oxygen for life. There is a huge spectrum in between, anything from vague brainfog, properly known as executive dysfunction, to partial or total paralysis due to a neuropathy often requiring mechanical ventilation, narcolepsy, organ failures, autoimmune conditions, and so on and so on. None of this is new, nor controversial.
    - h0l0cube 5y ago
      I compiled these links a month or so ago (an aeon in Covid-time): Brain damage - https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01693-6 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01693-6 Pulmonary function - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7997144/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7997144/ Cardiovascular disease - https://www.nature.com/articles/s41569-020-0413-9 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41569-020-0413-9
    - 5y ago

1053r 5y ago

The deep irony here is that you wrote "its not impossible for millions of people to have long term side effects from COVID." While it's clear from the rest of your post that you meant the vaccines, you accidentally ended up making your own counterpoint! It is ABSOLUTELY possible for millions of people to have long term side effects from COVID, the disease. It would be a brand new thing for a vaccine to give so many people side effects so long after the shot. No vaccine has ever given people side effects that didn't show up within about 6 weeks. Yes, some people had side effects from the Polio vaccine. But you know what was far more likely to cause lifelong side effects? Polio!

daddylongstroke 5y ago
>No vaccine has ever given people side effects that didn't show up within about 6 weeks. Why do you believe this is?

markenqualitaet 5y ago

I assume you mean the vaccine. "Long term effects" here doesn't mean what you think it means.... In the past, long term side effects were still occuring with weeks or few month after the shot. However, the statistical signal may be delayed for years or decades to manifest. It's very hard to think of a way how anything could cause side effect years down the line. Vaccines do not contain beryllium or asbestos. The mRNA vaccines do not even contain mercury or other heavy metals. Mind you, 'none' means less than a can of tuna. They do not remain in the body for long. None of it. That's why people aren't too worried, rationally. Long term effects whould have shown already. If you indeed mean COVID, I agree. There may be late long term effects, because of the diffuse organ damage and persistent infections. Of course any strong immune stimulation may slightly increase or decrease the risk for derailing or aging the immune system. Which may sooner, e.g. autoimmune disease risk, or later, e.g. lymphoma risk, manifest. For COVID it's a silly debate, because you will get infected or vaccinated in any case.

LorenPechtel 5y ago
The claim was that in some individuals the vaccine caused an auto-immune reaction. It seems to me that anyone who had that problem would have developed the same problem if they got the disease.
dukeofdoom 5y ago
Some people are worried, just you never get here from them because they are either censored or drowned out by the corporate press. Here's a doctor, you don't usually get to hear from raising concerns you don't seem think to exit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUE5EBPt-lU&t=1128s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUE5EBPt-lU&t=1128s
- alexpw 5y ago
  Dr. Ryan Cole, a pathologist, appears to make serious claims related to covid vaccines without supporting evidence. Searching his name reveals he's being given a voice by some of the right-wing media, but if there was substance to what he had to say, other doctors, researchers, scientists, etc, would eagerly jump to verify and act on it. https://www.factcheck.org/2021/04/scicheck-idaho-doctor-makes-baseless-claims-about-safety-of-covid-19-vaccines/ https://www.factcheck.org/2021/04/scicheck-idaho-doctor-make...
  - inter_netuser 5y ago
    why would they? judging from comments on this forum alone, it would be a career suicide in this political climate.

ganafagol 5y ago

I'm confused. Do you mean the millions of "long covid" cases which already exist today? Or the estimate that about 70% of all people who got the vaccine will be dead within 3 years? I know which of these two I consider gaslighting.

daddylongstroke 5y ago
>Do you mean the millions of "long covid" cases which already exist today? Long covid has yet to be scientifically proven.
- inter_netuser 5y ago
  post-infection syndromes are well established, and not unique to coronaviruses. It can occur after an infection with ANY pathogen, including covid-19. after any critical illness, doesn't even have to be an infection, with an ICU stay where intubation was required, the odds are ~50% you will be left with a permanent injury for life. However even after relatively moderate infection a permanent lifelong injury may remain. https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/21161-post-intensive-care-syndrome-pics https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/21161-post-in... It's not like injuries are binary: dead or alive. you could also end up alive, but in a wheelchair with oxygen for life. There is a huge spectrum in between, anything from vague brainfog, properly known as executive dysfunction, to partial or total paralysis due to a neuropathy often requiring mechanical ventilation, narcolepsy, organ failures, autoimmune conditions, and so on and so on. None of this is new, nor controversial.
  - h0l0cube 5y ago
    I compiled these links a month or so ago (an aeon in Covid-time): Brain damage - https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01693-6 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01693-6 Pulmonary function - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7997144/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7997144/ Cardiovascular disease - https://www.nature.com/articles/s41569-020-0413-9 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41569-020-0413-9
  - 5y ago