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> Why is it that, consistently, on specific issues that come up over and over again, the side labelled "disinformation" is so willing to spend so much time expl

> Why is it that, consistently, on specific issues that come up over and over again, the side labelled "disinformation" is so willing to spend so much time explaining rationally why they believe what they believe while the other side is always so uninterested in making their case? We’re tired of wasting our breath on irrational morons.

commandlinefan 5y ago
> We’re tired of wasting our breath If you ever had, you'd be more convincing. I never believed that the earth was flat, or that the moon landing was a hoax, or that 9/11 was an inside job, but I have seen fascinating, engaging, intriguing, careful takedowns of all the "evidence" that the true believers of those conspiracy theories believe. My kids actually did believe that the moon landing was a hoax at one point (thanks, YouTube!) until I pointed them to an article that debunks each of the conspiracy theory claims one by one in a way that appeals to rational intuition. We're - what, 20? - comments into this thread and I'm being downvoted for suggesting that more people are willing to question Covid and climate change, being called an irrational moron, but nobody has yet linked to an analysis of their principal claims about, say, urban heat zones and mRNA vaccines.
- beervirus 5y ago
  Climate change is at least a complicated subject. Reasonable people can quibble about how the computer models are constructed, etc. For the vaccine, all you need to do is observe the millions of people who’ve gotten vaccinated, who almost without exception have not had serious reactions. And observe further that the vaccinated people are not dying of covid.
  - mistermann 5y ago
    > For the vaccine, all you need to do is... Serious question: all you need to do to accomplish precisely what?
    - beervirus 5y ago
      To understand that failing to take the vaccine doesn’t make you a brave patriot. It just makes you a moron.
      - mistermann 5y ago
        What if there's a flaw in your premise: what if their goal isn't to be a brave patriot, then what? Think of it as if you are writing code for a simulation, that way you may be intuitively more focused on avoiding bugs.
        beervirus 5y ago
        What do you think the goal is?
        mistermann 5y ago
        In many cases, I doubt there's any particular goal. Who knows, this is millions of individual minds, unlike normal people I have no means of reading them.
      - chasd00 5y ago
        you were this )( close to making a good argument. all you had to say was "to understand that taking the vaccine products you from covid" instead you have to turn it around and insult those who have not had the vaccine only furthering the divide.

commandlinefan 5y ago

> We’re tired of wasting our breath If you ever had, you'd be more convincing. I never believed that the earth was flat, or that the moon landing was a hoax, or that 9/11 was an inside job, but I have seen fascinating, engaging, intriguing, careful takedowns of all the "evidence" that the true believers of those conspiracy theories believe. My kids actually did believe that the moon landing was a hoax at one point (thanks, YouTube!) until I pointed them to an article that debunks each of the conspiracy theory claims one by one in a way that appeals to rational intuition. We're - what, 20? - comments into this thread and I'm being downvoted for suggesting that more people are willing to question Covid and climate change, being called an irrational moron, but nobody has yet linked to an analysis of their principal claims about, say, urban heat zones and mRNA vaccines.

beervirus 5y ago
Climate change is at least a complicated subject. Reasonable people can quibble about how the computer models are constructed, etc. For the vaccine, all you need to do is observe the millions of people who’ve gotten vaccinated, who almost without exception have not had serious reactions. And observe further that the vaccinated people are not dying of covid.
- mistermann 5y ago
  > For the vaccine, all you need to do is... Serious question: all you need to do to accomplish precisely what?
  - beervirus 5y ago
    To understand that failing to take the vaccine doesn’t make you a brave patriot. It just makes you a moron.
    - mistermann 5y ago
      What if there's a flaw in your premise: what if their goal isn't to be a brave patriot, then what? Think of it as if you are writing code for a simulation, that way you may be intuitively more focused on avoiding bugs.
      - beervirus 5y ago
        What do you think the goal is?
        mistermann 5y ago
        In many cases, I doubt there's any particular goal. Who knows, this is millions of individual minds, unlike normal people I have no means of reading them.
    - chasd00 5y ago
      you were this )( close to making a good argument. all you had to say was "to understand that taking the vaccine products you from covid" instead you have to turn it around and insult those who have not had the vaccine only furthering the divide.