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We’re Anada and Ilya, the co-founders of BoldVoice (https://www.boldvoice.com/ https://www.boldvoice.com/). BoldVoice is an accent coaching app that helps non-n

We’re Anada and Ilya, the co-founders of BoldVoice (https://www.boldvoice.com/ https://www.boldvoice.com/). BoldVoice is an accent coaching app that helps non-native speakers learn and practice the standard American accent. As immigrants to the US, we’ve personally experienced that having a foreign accent can affect your confidence and job opportunities (by as much as 20%, according to studies). So we built this app to help non-native English speakers like us. Users start by watching 3-5 minute video lessons to learn new concepts from Hollywood speech coaches, like Ron Carlos, such as how to pronounce tricky sounds, or how to properly use intonation. They then spend around 10 minutes a day improving their accent skills by going through words, sentences, and conversations, with real-time feedback on their accent from the pronunciation assessment AI model. The user tells us what their native language is during onboarding, and we serve them content on the typical accent and speech challenges that a person from that linguistic background faces in English. Regarding the feedback part, the user speaks certain words and sentences into the app, we record it, we compare each sound to the "correct" sound according to our library, and we spit out a score and a recommendation for what they should change. The vast majority of language learning apps focus on grammar and vocabulary, not on speaking. Even when they do speaking, they score it broadly as "right" or "wrong" with no feedback on how you can improve. Learning an accent is all about muscle memory formed in the mouth/lips/teeth, not memorization in the brain—this is what most language learning apps get wrong. Practicing the physical skills required to acquire an accent is a lot like working out, and with consistent work come results -- usually you can start seeing a difference within 2 weeks. Since launching 8 weeks ago, we’ve had startup founders, globally distributed teams, BPO firms and even middle school Spanish teachers pick up BoldVoice to start working on their accents and feel more confident in English. We'd love to hear your experiences with accents and your comments about BoldVoice!

zestyping 5y ago
I _really_ wish this existed for other languages and other English accents. I'd love to use it for that!
presentation 5y ago
Loving what you’re doing here - excited to show this to my non-native speaker SO and give the AI assessments a test drive.
- ilyausorov 5y ago
  Thanks! Which language is your SO's native language? Feel free to send any good (or bad) feedback to founders@boldvoice.com!
  - presentation 5y ago
    Japanese :) first gotta pitch her on it though lol.
    - ilyausorov 5y ago
      We're excited to help and be on standby :) Feel free to mention that BoldVoice is made by non-native English speakers for non-native English speakers. Our dialect coach Eliza Simpson also recorded an introductory video that lays out the values & mission very well (2:58 mins): https://vimeo.com/572809215 https://vimeo.com/572809215
mabbo 5y ago
How do you decide what the 'standard American accent' is? I spent some time on a remote team working with a great group of folks from the US South. I'm Canadian. I picked up a lot of accent changes that stick with me today ("y'all" is the best plural second-person pronoun ever). But even things like California vs New York, there are differences. Urban vs rural. Minnesota vs Florida. There are interesting implications in how you make those choices. ie: "Well, however I speak is correct" will get you elitism accusations I'm sure.
- ilyausorov 5y ago
  We can go down a very deep rabbit hole with this question, because you're absolutely right there isn't just one accent spoken in America. But for what it's worth the term is defined as the "umbrella accent of American English spoken by a majority of Americans and widely perceived, among Americans, as lacking any distinctly regional, ethnic, or socioeconomic characteristics". You can read about that more here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_American_English https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_American_English If you do have the chance to jump into the app and watch some of the videos that our speech coaches, Ron and Eliza, have produced, you may notice they also refer to their own accents as "this accent" as a nod to the fact that ultimately what they are able to teach is the accent they are themselves demonstrating.
  - mattzito 5y ago
    Pure GAE/SAE is fairly arch and stilted - I assume you are chilling out on some of the more arcane aspects like liquid Us in "reduce" and "student" and "forehead" as "fahred"? Most dialect coaches default to something looser when teaching an american accent because SAE sounds almost british if you're strictly adhering to it.
    - geofft 5y ago
      If by "liquid U" you mean pronouncing /ju/, then no, GAE pronounces it "redooce" and "stoodent", not "redyooce" and "styoodent." From the article: > yod-dropping after alveolar consonants (with new pronounced /nu/, not /nju/)
alexedwalvarado 5y ago
Having an accent increased my chances of success in US. I had an Italian strong accent. When my English got better, people thought I was from Mexico. People were not as fascinated to the accent and lost some interest. I think the problem is not necessarily the accent, but how open people in front of you are to new accents and how confident you are with yourself being a foreigner. I'm interested on how the product will develop!
- ilyausorov 5y ago
  Thanks for sharing your story! My cofounder Anada and I can both relate, as we're both immigrants to the US as well. Something we want to stress with this product is that we want BoldVoice to live up to it's name -- helping non native English speakers feel bolder and more comfortable when speaking English and be more clearly understood.
shaheenkdr 5y ago
Pretty cool product out there ! I come from the Conversational AI background ! Can imagine the hard work you've done to get this right on the accuracy ! Looking forward to testing it out ! Wishing all the best !
- ilyausorov 5y ago
  Thanks, appreciate it! If you have any feedback or thoughts to the pronunciation analysis feel free to send them to founders@boldvoice.com!
eldaisfish 5y ago
I disagree fundamentally with the premise here. An accent is simply someone applying the rules of pronunciation from one language to another. No accent is right or wrong but your product seems to imply that North American accents are desirable or correct while accents rooted in non-english languages are less desirable. Instead of trying to "acquire an accent" why not focus on clarity of speech and pronunciation? If someone is unable to understand an accent, it is more often a case of that person not being exposed to differences in pronunciation which speaks more to the listener's lack of exposure than something wrong with the speaker. Many regional accents from the UK are difficult to understand because they use non standard grammar, sentence structure and place stress and intonation differently. I agree with the focus of most existing language learning - vocabulary and grammar are the foundation. Intonation and pronunciation are important. An accent is just top dressing - it is relatively unimportant in the grand scheme of clear communication. The goal should be clear communication, not a north american accent.
- ilyausorov 5y ago
  Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I invite you to watch one of our dialect coaches, Ron Carlos, share a bit about both the values and process that he brings to the table at BoldVoice (1:43 mins) - https://vimeo.com/572809188 https://vimeo.com/572809188 As our name implies, we want to help non-native English speakers feel bolder and more confident when speaking English. To feel more confident, indeed, one may need to more deeply learn the rules of English grammar, and more varied vocabulary. However, in the pursuit of more confident and clear speech, one may also want to learn how to adapt their pronunciation, how they place stress, how they use intonation and they way they use pacing and rhythm. All of these are the component parts of an accent. A note from Ron (who just Slacked me while I was writing this): Clarity of speech and pronunciation are big parts of an accent. You can’t change those without changing an accent. We are dialect coaches. We love peoples’ native accents, which is why we use sounds and samples from each speaker’s familiar language to teach sounds in American English. We want to empower our users to be able to control their speech so they can choose when sound more American in situations where it may benefit them. We truly hope that one day accents won’t matter, but until then, we have folks who feel embarrassed about their accent which keeps them from showing up with their full selves. We’re here to help those folks feel more confident with their speech.
LukeEF 5y ago
This is a native english speaker: https://youtu.be/pit0OkNp7s8 https://youtu.be/pit0OkNp7s8 We are a diverse bunch
- ddoolin 5y ago
  Wow! That was amazing, I couldn't understand more than a few words of the first speaker. The others were much more intelligible, but it required a lot of attention (which is also interesting, how much of listening is really passive). I feel for any non-native English speakers used to a different accent trying to understand that.
- stevekemp 5y ago
  My wife moved from Finland, and ended up working in A&E in Dundee. She had a rough time at first understanding some of the heavier Scottish accents. I have tested her now, on Rab C Nesbitt, and she passes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qeWbC7XtO0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qeWbC7XtO0
askhan 5y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NriDTxseog https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NriDTxseog BoldVoice, I hope you get Amy Walker on as a consultant...!
- ilyausorov 5y ago
  Thanks for sharing!
Zababa 5y ago
That sounds like a very nice idea! I'm French and not confident at all in my oral English because of my pronunciation. I did a bit of job hunting recently, and I was afraid that the topic of English would come up precisely because of that.
- ilyausorov 5y ago
  Hey, that's exactly why we're here. Happy to have you check it out and let us know if this is the type of program you would want to keep doing & practicing. If you have any feedback, questions or issues, please reach out to us at founders@boldvoice.com!
- ggregoire 5y ago
  Hey we are in the same boat, like many French people I guess! I’m confident speaking English but it feels so frustrating sometimes to not be understood by my interlocutors. Especially by other non native English speakers who usually have a hard time understanding my accent. I’m definitely going to check this product out, I always wanted something like it.
  - ilyausorov 5y ago
    We're here for you! If you have any feedback, questions or issues, please reach out to us at founders@boldvoice.com! We're constantly working on improving the app and adding more engaging content.
t0rt01se 5y ago
Can you please do the Kiwi accent instead?
- ilyausorov 5y ago
  Thanks for the suggestion! We'd love to explore how we can best create curriculums for other accents of English, such as British, Kiwi, Aussie, etc. But, as you can imagine, something like this takes a lot of time & planning, so we're being careful not to over extend ourselves. Interestingly enough, if you do engage with the content in BoldVoice, you will learn the physical skills that help you understand how different sounds are made and how to use your articulators. Once you are fairly confident in these new skills, you may even be able to apply them to quickly learning all kinds of new accents.
bithavoc 5y ago
Hi, congrats on your launch. This app would have been ideal for me; I'm now looking to improve my pronunciation after working on my grammar for a while. But I lost trust in the first 15 minutes; if you check lesson 1/4 of "Unvoiced and Voiced consonants," the app expects me to repeat the following phrase with an American accent: > This house is a part of a low-income housing project. But the coach audio clip does not say that; the coach says: > This house is part of a low-income housing project. So the audio clip of the coach features what seems to be correct grammar, the engine that corrects my pronunciation does not. If I try to say the phrase the way the app describes it, with "is a part", I'm able to pass the exercise. If I say the way the coach says it ("is part"), then it fails me. So is my perception that the app does not follow American grammar. It is not great to have an app that helps me improve my pronunciation while it screws my grammar. Also, how do I delete my account?
- deleted 5y ago
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- anadalakra 5y ago
  Hey there, thanks for checking us out! The error that you pointed out has been fixed, and now the sentence matches the coach's sample -- feel free to double check this on the app. Both "part of" and "a part of" are grammatically correct. That said, we definitely agree that the coach sample should match the written sentence. By the way, potential issues such as these is exactly why we added the flag feature on the practice cards, through which you can report any errors in spelling or other types of issues. We strive for 100% accuracy, but there are still real people behind this making all the content, so we appreciate user input to make things always better. If you would like to delete your account, we can help. Just email us at support@boldvoice.com with your account details.
yorwba 5y ago
Have you considered adapting your app for deaf people? A friend of mine developed a pronunciation practice app for deaf speakers of Korean as a student, which won them an innovation award. But according to my friend, the pronunciation score (which was based on comparing spectrograms or something) didn't work all that well, and the award was mostly due to the non-technical team members making up a heart-warming story to promote their project. I assume your feedback system is more advanced (can you share some details on how you determine what recommendations to make?) and would also work for deaf speakers. But you can't really assume familiarity with another spoken language, so you'd probably need explanations specifically tailored to deaf people.
- anadalakra 5y ago
  That's an interesting use case that we could potentially explore down the line, thanks for sharing! Right now, we're focusing on non-native English speakers, as it's a problem that we personally understand best -- as well as a very large market.
  - nextaccountic 5y ago
    I just want to note that for many deaf people (including practically all people that were born deaf) sign language is their first language, and thus, technically, English isn't their native language. edit: I'm also curious to know more about what kinds of analysis/algorithms you do to detect the accent, if you can share a little bit. Can your app distinguish between different American accents? Or could it hear the user talking in African-American English and assume it is "incorrect"?
- eghad 5y ago
  The problem with adapting this to other forms of atypical speech is that their recommendation system likely relies on a catalog the phonemes L2 speakers have issues with (the example most people know is the Japanese "L" "R" swap) so it's much easier to create courses with specific focuses and solutions. If Google's Project Euphonia [0] is actually still ongoing and they release their dataset/methodology of training models with that sparse dataset I can see your idea as approachable; even accented speech is a tough problem to work on considering how many variants exist worldwide (but their approach looks good!). [0] https://sites.research.google/euphonia/about/ https://sites.research.google/euphonia/about/
dhoe 5y ago
I tried to build something like this a couple of years ago, just by using speech-to-text, and that worked really badly (but it was better than nothing). I've given BoldVoice a spin and am very impressed by how well it works on phoneme level - well done, congrats on launching!
- ilyausorov 5y ago
  Thanks for trying it out, glad to hear you liked the tech! We're continuing to improve and expand both the technical capabilities of the pronunciation assessment, as well as add more varied & exciting content that a user can go through.
kriro 5y ago
I have very mixed feelings on this. First of all, it feels like a patch for latent discrimination. I'd rather strive towards a world where accents matter less than fixing accents. Sure very thick accents can hinder communication but I feel like improving that a bit is enough. There's no need to perfectly emulate the native accent (and let's not forget about the differences between say Jersey, Oklahoma, Boston and L.A.). Secondly, I'm not sure an app is really needed for this. Someone dedicated enough to install an app for this might also be dedicated enough to turn on Netflix and just speak along until they sound similar to the actors. Either way, good luck to the team.
- ilyausorov 5y ago
  Hey, thanks for sharing your thoughts. When it comes to striving for a world where accents don't matter, we feel the same way. In fact, our dialect coach, Ron Carlos, slacked me earlier today: "We truly hope that one day accents won’t matter, but until then we have folks who feel embarrassed about their accent which keeps them from showing up with their full selves. We’re here to help those folks feel more confident with their speech." What we're trying to help users with is learning the physical skills that make up their account: pronunciation, speech rhythm, intonation, stress -- ultimately, how to speak the way they want, with the ultimate goal of helping the user become more confident and clear in their speech. If the way they want to sound is exactly like someone from Jersey, Boston, L.A. or anywhere else, we're happy to support them!
- Mikeb85 5y ago
  > First of all, it feels like a patch for latent discrimination. Try learning a language that's not English. You're definitely judged on your accent, ie. your ability to properly pronounce words. If you want to fully assimilate to the environment you choose to exist in, speaking with less of an accent helps with being understood. Also, the 'standard' American accent (ie. Hollywood/West Coast accent) is understood by absolutely anyone; even those who are new to speaking English. Heck, even English speakers from regions such as the Caribbean, England, Australia, etc..., turn their accent 'off' in business environments to be better understood. Many native English speakers can't even understand creole from the Caribbean for example. Accents can definitely also hamper communication. I'm a native English speaker who's interacted with many immigrants so I can definitely understand almost every accent. But two immigrants both speaking English as their second language and from different parts of the world will often have trouble, I've seen it plenty. Even my girlfriend, who speaks English at quite a high level but isn't native, has a difficult time if I speak too quickly using local slang and pronunciation (and our accent barely deviates from standard American English). Focusing on a standard pronunciation, especially in a job or school environment, helps a lot.
alabamacadabra 5y ago
Accents/linguistic aspects of neurology tend to be associated closely with intelligence. I think that it’s likely none of your investors have the requisite amount required to see that this is non-functional. Also Americans will adapt their speech to be more foreign if others are using linguistic patterns that are domestic. This is truly a stupid undertaking.
XFrequentist 5y ago
I'm a native English speaker, but I'd love something like this for French, Spanish, or Mandarin! Any good products you're aware of?
kboom 5y ago
One of my coworker and good friend literally named NPCs in the game we were developing together at work after my pronunciation mistakes: kunter (counter strike), eevol, etc. In French we have an 'ee' sound you dont even have in english, it's much more 'ee' than ee. Took me years to hear the difference. Pretty sure it is one of the hardest spot for a french: beach, snitch, sheep, cheat, etc. And none of those sound like an i in french (e.g frite).
- usmannk 5y ago
  Snitch doesn't sound like beach, sheep, cheat. I'm not sure how to approximate snitch in French, maybe you can't. The Google card that comes up if you search "snitch pronunciation" is right though.
fnfilho 5y ago
Amazing product!
eghad 5y ago
Congrats on the launch! Worked on something similar, so rooting for ya. Using Hollywood accent coaches is a great approach, but I'd also look into identifying speech therapists that specialize with helping adults in target regions to 1) get more information for your models and 2) point out which problems can't be corrected in older adults, so you focus on those that can.
gumby 5y ago
When you succeed I hope you expand to other English accents, e.g. Australia, NZ, England…
jviotti 5y ago
This looks interesting and as a non-native English speaker, I'd be open to pay for it if it fulfills it promises. However, the fact that it is a mobile app only is quite annoying. Why can't I just use this on my laptop? Some of us are actually phone-less :)

zestyping 5y ago

I _really_ wish this existed for other languages and other English accents. I'd love to use it for that!

presentation 5y ago

Loving what you’re doing here - excited to show this to my non-native speaker SO and give the AI assessments a test drive.

ilyausorov 5y ago
Thanks! Which language is your SO's native language? Feel free to send any good (or bad) feedback to founders@boldvoice.com!
- presentation 5y ago
  Japanese :) first gotta pitch her on it though lol.
  - ilyausorov 5y ago
    We're excited to help and be on standby :) Feel free to mention that BoldVoice is made by non-native English speakers for non-native English speakers. Our dialect coach Eliza Simpson also recorded an introductory video that lays out the values & mission very well (2:58 mins): https://vimeo.com/572809215 https://vimeo.com/572809215

mabbo 5y ago

How do you decide what the 'standard American accent' is? I spent some time on a remote team working with a great group of folks from the US South. I'm Canadian. I picked up a lot of accent changes that stick with me today ("y'all" is the best plural second-person pronoun ever). But even things like California vs New York, there are differences. Urban vs rural. Minnesota vs Florida. There are interesting implications in how you make those choices. ie: "Well, however I speak is correct" will get you elitism accusations I'm sure.

ilyausorov 5y ago
We can go down a very deep rabbit hole with this question, because you're absolutely right there isn't just one accent spoken in America. But for what it's worth the term is defined as the "umbrella accent of American English spoken by a majority of Americans and widely perceived, among Americans, as lacking any distinctly regional, ethnic, or socioeconomic characteristics". You can read about that more here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_American_English https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_American_English If you do have the chance to jump into the app and watch some of the videos that our speech coaches, Ron and Eliza, have produced, you may notice they also refer to their own accents as "this accent" as a nod to the fact that ultimately what they are able to teach is the accent they are themselves demonstrating.
- mattzito 5y ago
  Pure GAE/SAE is fairly arch and stilted - I assume you are chilling out on some of the more arcane aspects like liquid Us in "reduce" and "student" and "forehead" as "fahred"? Most dialect coaches default to something looser when teaching an american accent because SAE sounds almost british if you're strictly adhering to it.
  - geofft 5y ago
    If by "liquid U" you mean pronouncing /ju/, then no, GAE pronounces it "redooce" and "stoodent", not "redyooce" and "styoodent." From the article: > yod-dropping after alveolar consonants (with new pronounced /nu/, not /nju/)

alexedwalvarado 5y ago

Having an accent increased my chances of success in US. I had an Italian strong accent. When my English got better, people thought I was from Mexico. People were not as fascinated to the accent and lost some interest. I think the problem is not necessarily the accent, but how open people in front of you are to new accents and how confident you are with yourself being a foreigner. I'm interested on how the product will develop!

ilyausorov 5y ago
Thanks for sharing your story! My cofounder Anada and I can both relate, as we're both immigrants to the US as well. Something we want to stress with this product is that we want BoldVoice to live up to it's name -- helping non native English speakers feel bolder and more comfortable when speaking English and be more clearly understood.

shaheenkdr 5y ago

Pretty cool product out there ! I come from the Conversational AI background ! Can imagine the hard work you've done to get this right on the accuracy ! Looking forward to testing it out ! Wishing all the best !

ilyausorov 5y ago
Thanks, appreciate it! If you have any feedback or thoughts to the pronunciation analysis feel free to send them to founders@boldvoice.com!

eldaisfish 5y ago

I disagree fundamentally with the premise here. An accent is simply someone applying the rules of pronunciation from one language to another. No accent is right or wrong but your product seems to imply that North American accents are desirable or correct while accents rooted in non-english languages are less desirable. Instead of trying to "acquire an accent" why not focus on clarity of speech and pronunciation? If someone is unable to understand an accent, it is more often a case of that person not being exposed to differences in pronunciation which speaks more to the listener's lack of exposure than something wrong with the speaker. Many regional accents from the UK are difficult to understand because they use non standard grammar, sentence structure and place stress and intonation differently. I agree with the focus of most existing language learning - vocabulary and grammar are the foundation. Intonation and pronunciation are important. An accent is just top dressing - it is relatively unimportant in the grand scheme of clear communication. The goal should be clear communication, not a north american accent.

ilyausorov 5y ago
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I invite you to watch one of our dialect coaches, Ron Carlos, share a bit about both the values and process that he brings to the table at BoldVoice (1:43 mins) - https://vimeo.com/572809188 https://vimeo.com/572809188 As our name implies, we want to help non-native English speakers feel bolder and more confident when speaking English. To feel more confident, indeed, one may need to more deeply learn the rules of English grammar, and more varied vocabulary. However, in the pursuit of more confident and clear speech, one may also want to learn how to adapt their pronunciation, how they place stress, how they use intonation and they way they use pacing and rhythm. All of these are the component parts of an accent. A note from Ron (who just Slacked me while I was writing this): Clarity of speech and pronunciation are big parts of an accent. You can’t change those without changing an accent. We are dialect coaches. We love peoples’ native accents, which is why we use sounds and samples from each speaker’s familiar language to teach sounds in American English. We want to empower our users to be able to control their speech so they can choose when sound more American in situations where it may benefit them. We truly hope that one day accents won’t matter, but until then, we have folks who feel embarrassed about their accent which keeps them from showing up with their full selves. We’re here to help those folks feel more confident with their speech.

LukeEF 5y ago

This is a native english speaker: https://youtu.be/pit0OkNp7s8 https://youtu.be/pit0OkNp7s8 We are a diverse bunch

ddoolin 5y ago
Wow! That was amazing, I couldn't understand more than a few words of the first speaker. The others were much more intelligible, but it required a lot of attention (which is also interesting, how much of listening is really passive). I feel for any non-native English speakers used to a different accent trying to understand that.
stevekemp 5y ago
My wife moved from Finland, and ended up working in A&E in Dundee. She had a rough time at first understanding some of the heavier Scottish accents. I have tested her now, on Rab C Nesbitt, and she passes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qeWbC7XtO0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qeWbC7XtO0

askhan 5y ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NriDTxseog https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NriDTxseog BoldVoice, I hope you get Amy Walker on as a consultant...!

ilyausorov 5y ago
Thanks for sharing!

Zababa 5y ago

That sounds like a very nice idea! I'm French and not confident at all in my oral English because of my pronunciation. I did a bit of job hunting recently, and I was afraid that the topic of English would come up precisely because of that.

ilyausorov 5y ago
Hey, that's exactly why we're here. Happy to have you check it out and let us know if this is the type of program you would want to keep doing & practicing. If you have any feedback, questions or issues, please reach out to us at founders@boldvoice.com!
ggregoire 5y ago
Hey we are in the same boat, like many French people I guess! I’m confident speaking English but it feels so frustrating sometimes to not be understood by my interlocutors. Especially by other non native English speakers who usually have a hard time understanding my accent. I’m definitely going to check this product out, I always wanted something like it.
- ilyausorov 5y ago
  We're here for you! If you have any feedback, questions or issues, please reach out to us at founders@boldvoice.com! We're constantly working on improving the app and adding more engaging content.

t0rt01se 5y ago

Can you please do the Kiwi accent instead?

ilyausorov 5y ago
Thanks for the suggestion! We'd love to explore how we can best create curriculums for other accents of English, such as British, Kiwi, Aussie, etc. But, as you can imagine, something like this takes a lot of time & planning, so we're being careful not to over extend ourselves. Interestingly enough, if you do engage with the content in BoldVoice, you will learn the physical skills that help you understand how different sounds are made and how to use your articulators. Once you are fairly confident in these new skills, you may even be able to apply them to quickly learning all kinds of new accents.

bithavoc 5y ago

Hi, congrats on your launch. This app would have been ideal for me; I'm now looking to improve my pronunciation after working on my grammar for a while. But I lost trust in the first 15 minutes; if you check lesson 1/4 of "Unvoiced and Voiced consonants," the app expects me to repeat the following phrase with an American accent: > This house is a part of a low-income housing project. But the coach audio clip does not say that; the coach says: > This house is part of a low-income housing project. So the audio clip of the coach features what seems to be correct grammar, the engine that corrects my pronunciation does not. If I try to say the phrase the way the app describes it, with "is a part", I'm able to pass the exercise. If I say the way the coach says it ("is part"), then it fails me. So is my perception that the app does not follow American grammar. It is not great to have an app that helps me improve my pronunciation while it screws my grammar. Also, how do I delete my account?

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anadalakra 5y ago
Hey there, thanks for checking us out! The error that you pointed out has been fixed, and now the sentence matches the coach's sample -- feel free to double check this on the app. Both "part of" and "a part of" are grammatically correct. That said, we definitely agree that the coach sample should match the written sentence. By the way, potential issues such as these is exactly why we added the flag feature on the practice cards, through which you can report any errors in spelling or other types of issues. We strive for 100% accuracy, but there are still real people behind this making all the content, so we appreciate user input to make things always better. If you would like to delete your account, we can help. Just email us at support@boldvoice.com with your account details.

yorwba 5y ago

Have you considered adapting your app for deaf people? A friend of mine developed a pronunciation practice app for deaf speakers of Korean as a student, which won them an innovation award. But according to my friend, the pronunciation score (which was based on comparing spectrograms or something) didn't work all that well, and the award was mostly due to the non-technical team members making up a heart-warming story to promote their project. I assume your feedback system is more advanced (can you share some details on how you determine what recommendations to make?) and would also work for deaf speakers. But you can't really assume familiarity with another spoken language, so you'd probably need explanations specifically tailored to deaf people.

anadalakra 5y ago
That's an interesting use case that we could potentially explore down the line, thanks for sharing! Right now, we're focusing on non-native English speakers, as it's a problem that we personally understand best -- as well as a very large market.
- nextaccountic 5y ago
  I just want to note that for many deaf people (including practically all people that were born deaf) sign language is their first language, and thus, technically, English isn't their native language. edit: I'm also curious to know more about what kinds of analysis/algorithms you do to detect the accent, if you can share a little bit. Can your app distinguish between different American accents? Or could it hear the user talking in African-American English and assume it is "incorrect"?
eghad 5y ago
The problem with adapting this to other forms of atypical speech is that their recommendation system likely relies on a catalog the phonemes L2 speakers have issues with (the example most people know is the Japanese "L" "R" swap) so it's much easier to create courses with specific focuses and solutions. If Google's Project Euphonia [0] is actually still ongoing and they release their dataset/methodology of training models with that sparse dataset I can see your idea as approachable; even accented speech is a tough problem to work on considering how many variants exist worldwide (but their approach looks good!). [0] https://sites.research.google/euphonia/about/ https://sites.research.google/euphonia/about/

dhoe 5y ago

I tried to build something like this a couple of years ago, just by using speech-to-text, and that worked really badly (but it was better than nothing). I've given BoldVoice a spin and am very impressed by how well it works on phoneme level - well done, congrats on launching!

ilyausorov 5y ago
Thanks for trying it out, glad to hear you liked the tech! We're continuing to improve and expand both the technical capabilities of the pronunciation assessment, as well as add more varied & exciting content that a user can go through.

kriro 5y ago

I have very mixed feelings on this. First of all, it feels like a patch for latent discrimination. I'd rather strive towards a world where accents matter less than fixing accents. Sure very thick accents can hinder communication but I feel like improving that a bit is enough. There's no need to perfectly emulate the native accent (and let's not forget about the differences between say Jersey, Oklahoma, Boston and L.A.). Secondly, I'm not sure an app is really needed for this. Someone dedicated enough to install an app for this might also be dedicated enough to turn on Netflix and just speak along until they sound similar to the actors. Either way, good luck to the team.

ilyausorov 5y ago
Hey, thanks for sharing your thoughts. When it comes to striving for a world where accents don't matter, we feel the same way. In fact, our dialect coach, Ron Carlos, slacked me earlier today: "We truly hope that one day accents won’t matter, but until then we have folks who feel embarrassed about their accent which keeps them from showing up with their full selves. We’re here to help those folks feel more confident with their speech." What we're trying to help users with is learning the physical skills that make up their account: pronunciation, speech rhythm, intonation, stress -- ultimately, how to speak the way they want, with the ultimate goal of helping the user become more confident and clear in their speech. If the way they want to sound is exactly like someone from Jersey, Boston, L.A. or anywhere else, we're happy to support them!
Mikeb85 5y ago
> First of all, it feels like a patch for latent discrimination. Try learning a language that's not English. You're definitely judged on your accent, ie. your ability to properly pronounce words. If you want to fully assimilate to the environment you choose to exist in, speaking with less of an accent helps with being understood. Also, the 'standard' American accent (ie. Hollywood/West Coast accent) is understood by absolutely anyone; even those who are new to speaking English. Heck, even English speakers from regions such as the Caribbean, England, Australia, etc..., turn their accent 'off' in business environments to be better understood. Many native English speakers can't even understand creole from the Caribbean for example. Accents can definitely also hamper communication. I'm a native English speaker who's interacted with many immigrants so I can definitely understand almost every accent. But two immigrants both speaking English as their second language and from different parts of the world will often have trouble, I've seen it plenty. Even my girlfriend, who speaks English at quite a high level but isn't native, has a difficult time if I speak too quickly using local slang and pronunciation (and our accent barely deviates from standard American English). Focusing on a standard pronunciation, especially in a job or school environment, helps a lot.

alabamacadabra 5y ago

Accents/linguistic aspects of neurology tend to be associated closely with intelligence. I think that it’s likely none of your investors have the requisite amount required to see that this is non-functional. Also Americans will adapt their speech to be more foreign if others are using linguistic patterns that are domestic. This is truly a stupid undertaking.

XFrequentist 5y ago

I'm a native English speaker, but I'd love something like this for French, Spanish, or Mandarin! Any good products you're aware of?

kboom 5y ago

One of my coworker and good friend literally named NPCs in the game we were developing together at work after my pronunciation mistakes: kunter (counter strike), eevol, etc. In French we have an 'ee' sound you dont even have in english, it's much more 'ee' than ee. Took me years to hear the difference. Pretty sure it is one of the hardest spot for a french: beach, snitch, sheep, cheat, etc. And none of those sound like an i in french (e.g frite).

usmannk 5y ago
Snitch doesn't sound like beach, sheep, cheat. I'm not sure how to approximate snitch in French, maybe you can't. The Google card that comes up if you search "snitch pronunciation" is right though.

fnfilho 5y ago

Amazing product!

eghad 5y ago

Congrats on the launch! Worked on something similar, so rooting for ya. Using Hollywood accent coaches is a great approach, but I'd also look into identifying speech therapists that specialize with helping adults in target regions to 1) get more information for your models and 2) point out which problems can't be corrected in older adults, so you focus on those that can.

gumby 5y ago

When you succeed I hope you expand to other English accents, e.g. Australia, NZ, England…

jviotti 5y ago

This looks interesting and as a non-native English speaker, I'd be open to pay for it if it fulfills it promises. However, the fact that it is a mobile app only is quite annoying. Why can't I just use this on my laptop? Some of us are actually phone-less :)