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Tinder will introduce voluntary ID verification to reduce catfishing incidents
- gizdan 5y agoWeren't they adding fake accounts to get the numbers up in the first place?
- sneak 5y agoThat's phase 1, phase 2 is then pulling up the ladder and increasing quality. It works the same in every country.
- norov 5y agoJust like how social media companies suddenly grow a spine and do something about bots and troll behavior only after they become large and successful.
- toss1 5y agoWe wish. The amount they are doing about bots, trolls, and outright state-funded dezinformatsiya and active measures warfare being waged on their platforms is only the absolute minimum so that they can claim to be "doing something", and not appear to be fully and actively allied with the assaults on democracy.
- m-p-3 5y agoThere's a chicken and egg issue with the rise of a social media. You can't get people to join if there isn't a lot of people, and there isn't a lot of people because nobody joins. Faking the participants 'till you make it is cheating, compared to an organic growth that rarely happens at the inception of a new platform.
- yepthatsreality 5y agoI don’t agree with this. There is only a chicken and egg issue if the people joining are the product. You can’t sell product data if it doesn’t seem like there’s a lot of product to be sold. If social networks required paid membership, small amount of total users wouldn’t be a bug it’d be a feature.
- m-p-3 5y agoI personally don't see a social media platform that would succeed through a mandatory paid membership. The main interest in social media to the majority of user is the reach and read a large amount of users, and keeping it small and exclusive might not be an attractive feature to a majority.
- yepthatsreality 5y agoI agree and disagree. One hand it’s free to signup and post whatever to my personal account and like a few pages. However the “reach” argument breaks down when the social media company starts filtering what a I do and don’t see. If I decide I want public reach too then I have to buy an ad space from the social media company for that reach. So if that’s true then the reach you get is a lie and you have to pay for membership anyways.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y agoMatch Group has a long history of sketchy behavior and absolutely should not be trusted.
- MeinBlutIstBlau 5y agoOnline dating has basically become a joke anyway. I've met several women on it but more often than not, it never feels right. It's like the expectation of the event is to pursue a relationship. Not to actually have fun doing what you want to.
- knuthsat 5y agoInteresting, from the experience of my friends it sounds like they use it mostly to have fun (they use it when traveling to have a one night stand, find new friends in their home town). Both men and women. Those that wanted marriage and kids already have that.
- MeinBlutIstBlau 5y agoI've since realized I'm just not destined for a relationship since I'm way to self motivated and willing to change. I'm not ugly either. I just can't stand how most women in my area are either boring socialites that have no skills, overweight, or are just a shackle. I haven't given up, I just found myself alone and I'm happy with it. I figured being with someone might make it feel different but it definitely does not.
- the_only_law 5y ago> but more often than not, it never feels right I’ve talked about this before, but the entire culture of dating apps feels like everyone is putting up a facade and you have to too if you want to play.
- nathanaldensr 5y agoAgreed. It amplifies the worst aspects of human existence.
- lotsofpulp 5y agoFundamentally, I do not think it is tenable for a mating system to offer participants unlimited choice (or the appearance of). Also, pictures drastically reduce the number of dimensions in which you can be attracted to someone. For example, in real life, you may become attracted to someone due to their voice, or other properties, or simply repeatedly seeing them. The other problem is that it lays bare your “value” in each interaction, and it could be damaging to one’s ego. Flirting in real life gives both parties a chance to escalate with plausible deniability. The best system I have seen though is when matchmakers who roughly know both people, and can vouch for both parties’ trustworthiness do the matchmaking. They will have the ability to objectively put two similarly “valued” people together, and possibly not only along one metric (e.g. looks). Of course, this gets more and more rare as the size of one’s social networks gets smaller or has fewer overlaps.
- codetrotter 5y agohttps://metro.co.uk/2020/01/27/tinder-is-now-giving-out-blue-ticks-to-verify-people-who-arent-catfishing-12125908/ https://metro.co.uk/2020/01/27/tinder-is-now-giving-out-blue... Isn’t the verification they are already doing sufficient type of voluntary verification?
- stevekemp 5y agoI've noticed a lot of profiles near me are "verified", so I believe the user is real and matches the pictures somewhat. The biggest problem with tinder, at the moment, seems to be people using the "passport" system. They pretend to be local, but really they're hundreds/thousands of miles away. I wish that was more explicit and obvious.
- moistbar 5y agoWhy do they even allow that? It seems counter to the whole point of an app designed around finding someone nearby to bang.
- mholm 5y agoBecause many users are on tinder just for validation, and getting matches makes them feel good. They're willing to pay for it, so Match is willing to take their money at the cost of UX
- newbamboo 5y agoMore users.
- joncrane 5y agoSometimes people want to match with someone in the town they're visiting (or moving to) soon. Other times, people in poorer countries are trying to match with people in richer countries. Think of Tinder as acting as a broker in a situation that sometimes people call "mail order bride."
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- Imaiomus 5y agothats great for the few not random permabanned
- durnygbur 5y agoBad luck mate, male profiles there have negative worth.
- bilherrick 5y agoThey should probably start introducing this to every country, especially those with very high cat fishing incidents. In that way, Tinder will slowly gain the trust of the users in the said country.
- grumblenum 5y agoFun prank if you have some young male friends: 1. Create profile with hot babe pictures 2. Set search proximity to lowest setting 3. Swipe furiously until you find your friend 4. Wait for a match 5. Screencap the ensuing conversation I did this to a couple guys in my platoon. The results were definitely worth the effort.
- me_me_me 5y agoHere is a better one, how about call a random people and tell them that their kid had terrible accident and they need to come to school imidetly. Its hilarious. /s Hope there is a special place in hell for people who have cheap laughs at cost of emotional damage of others.
- filoleg 5y agoI agree with your overall point that what the parent comment is suggesting might be not a nice way to treat your friends. However, if someone feels an equivalent amount of distress from having a convo with a fake person on a dating app as they would from thinking that some terrible accident happened to their kid at school, I believe they might have some larger personal problems to address first.
- neolog 5y agoIt's easy to forget how rare it is for some people to get any romantic validation in their lives. You finally meet someone who appreciates you, and then it turns out to be some asshole messing with you and mocking you publicly -- that's deeply horrible.
- grumblenum 5y ago>Emotional damage Just for clarity, I'm talking about adult males whose job description is essentially "jump out of planes and kill people." We're not made of quite such fragile stuff as, apparently, you are. It sounds like your life must be very difficult. The level of well-I-never and pearl-clutching in these comments really speaks volumes about the HN commentariat.
- durnygbur 5y agoPeople will give high resolution photo of their national id to some shady American media group?
- speedgoose 5y agoFor sex, anything is possible.
- durnygbur 5y agoBut Tinder doesn't provide sex, barely even catalyses real life sexless encounters.
- speedgoose 5y agoI know a few people who met through tinder. Some had sex supposedly, some got married and became parents which is a good proof of them having sex from my non expert point of view.
- jraph 5y agoI thought children were brought by storks, what is the link with sex?
- rnjesus 5y agohumans must perform the “sex” ritual as a sacrifice to the stork gods, it seems. i’ve yet to determine why they often try to summon the spirit of their fathers repeatedly through incantation, though
- jraph 5y agoThat's good to know. One more question: there is no risk to summon the stork gods while being alone without signing some documents, right?
- Nextgrid 5y agoI'm all for more safety and would be happy to use this if it wasn't for the fact that Tinder is a typical Silicon Valley "growth and engagement" operation that does not have your best interests at heart (if you find a partner, you stop "engaging" with the app). My concern here is that this kind of verification will become mandatory and will then be used to ban people from behaving the "wrong" way from a company perspective - not "engaging" enough with it, avoiding the dark patterns, not giving it the permissions it requests, etc.
- chrisseaton 5y ago> if you find a partner, you stop "engaging" with the app But presumably you recommend it to others as a successful place to find a partner?
- dntrkv 5y ago> ban people from behaving the "wrong" way from a company perspective - not "engaging" enough with it, avoiding the dark patterns, not giving it the permissions it requests, etc. When has that ever happened?
- yjftsjthsd-h 5y agohttps://gizmodo.com/okcupid-tells-users-not-to-use-firefox-because-of-ceos-1555616237 https://gizmodo.com/okcupid-tells-users-not-to-use-firefox-b... is close enough
- Nextgrid 5y agoIt's typical when you use alternative clients for hostile social media services such as Facebook, Instagram, etc.
- nonameiguess 5y agoDon't you need an account even if it isn't verifiably tied to your legal identity? Why wouldn't they be able to ban you for not engaging enough already if they wanted to do that?
- rkangel 5y agoCan someone explain to me how Tinder has such a bot problem? I'm not a Tinder user, but the impression I get is that there is an epidemic of bots such that people have to start conversations with silly "Captcha" type tests. Is this impression correct and there is a bot problem? And if so, how has Tinder not fixed that already?! It's not a particularly hard problem to kill off all but the most determined bots. Or are they not motivated to do so due to it inflating user numbers?
- whimsicalism 5y agoI think that the Tinder experience is very non-homogenous, so some may have a problem with bots and others don't.
- Teknoman117 5y agoIt's a big problem. 99% of matches for me (a straight white male, late 20's) are bots or people pushing some onlyfans account.
- FilMo 5y agoThat's the reason why I don't consider such big hyped platformі as Tinder like a real possibility for relationships. I believe that it's easier to find a couple, friend or just a hookup (whatever you're searching for) in a narrower space. I mean, a person registered on https://datehookup.dating/singles-tx-san_antonio.htm https://datehookup.dating/singles-tx-san_antonio.htm knows exactly what to expect. While registration on Tinder can deviate your expectations, especially with all those bots now. But it's just my subjective opinion.
- notyourday 5y ago> And if so, how has Tinder not fixed that already?! It's not a particularly hard problem to kill off all but the most determined bots. Or are they not motivated to do so due to it inflating user numbers? Most of bots pay Tinder, which is how they get the "unlimited likes", ability to change location and ability to pull those that "liked" them. Cleaning up bots will wipe out a significant portion of tinder revenue.
- marton_s 5y agoAs the article does not explain it, I had to look up: > Catfishing is a deceptive activity where a person creates a fictional persona or fake identity on a social networking service, usually targeting a specific victim. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catfishing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catfishing
- twirlock 5y agoWhat about when the catfish is their system giving out fake likes to sell subscriptions?
- paperoli 5y agoAfter tinder came out my best friend was the first person I knew to have the app. He excitedly told me he was chatting to someone attractive and showed me the messages. Though they seemed to have already had a whole conversation it gave me a strange feeling. I told him I thought it wasn't a real person but wasn’t sure. So we sent the exact same messages that he had sent before and after getting exactly the same response we knew it was a robot. I think about this from time to time as this AI basically passed the Turing test and seemed to be on tinder with no goal to scam, and as dating apps were so new and rare that scams had not yet been formulated. The bots that followed in subsequent years were never anywhere near as polished or convincing.