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There's an airbag in my car, but I also wear a seatbelt, obey the posted speed limits, use turn signals, stop at red traffic lights, and abstain from consuming

There's an airbag in my car, but I also wear a seatbelt, obey the posted speed limits, use turn signals, stop at red traffic lights, and abstain from consuming alcohol while driving. This isn't "living in fear," it's observing reasonable caution in my daily life. I don't expect there will be "Zero accidents," but I want to avoid being injured and avoid causing injury to others. And I expect I'll keep taking these precautions for the next 50 years if I live that long. It just never ends. It's psychologically exhausting, come to think of it. But wait, now you have me thinking, what if speed limits, traffic lights and all that other stuff were optional? Shouldn't they be? I mean, if I want to risk dying in a car accident, that's my business, and if others are concerned about my reckless driving, isn't that what their own seatbelts are for? I'm not forcing them to drink behind the wheel, why should they force me to not drink? Bottom line, if they want to live in endless fear of me and other freedom loving drivers, I won't stop them, they can just stay off the roads for all I care. So why should there be any safety mandates...for anything? My state governor should follow in the footsteps of DeSantis and Abbott, and make it illegal for localities to even impose speed limits.

bingohbangoh 5y ago
Wearing a mask is not a small ask. If it was, attendance at bars, restaurants, shows, etc. would not fall off a cliff when imposed.
- me_me_me 5y ago
  > Wearing a mask is not a small ask. Of course it is, I have been wearing mask for 2 years now. And I am wearing glasses. Is washing your hands too much to ask too? > If it was, attendance at bars, restaurants, shows, etc. That was due to social distancing and lockdowns, not masks.
  - benttoothpaste 5y ago
    > Is washing your hands too much to ask too? For (too) many people washing hands is indeed too much to ask...
    - voakbasda 5y ago
      >> Is washing your hands too much to ask too? > For (too) many people washing hands is indeed too much to ask... This. This is why Covid is here to stay.
      - bingohbangoh 5y ago
        COVID-19 spreads via the air, not through physical contact.
  - bingohbangoh 5y ago
    The capacity limits were not an issue in the summertime when people could hang out outdoors, especially with the loosening of public drinking laws. The masks? they made everything worse. They're incredibly bothersome to wear when its hot and humid, they induce psychological pressure on you via the feeling of being "smothered," and make every social interaction much harder to understand making each interaction more tiring to be a part of. It's equivalent to being in a Zoom conversation where you can't read all the subtleties of somebody else. That's not even mentioning the blue collar labor force which has to wear these for 40 hours a week. My friends who work as waiters, bar staff, etc. still have to wear them during the day. The last thing they want to do when they get off work is to continue wearing them. (all of this is relative to NYC, which had a ~31% closure rate for small businesses) I understand some people here, such as yourself, don't think the masks are a big deal. But to the vast majority of the populace, they are a burden so bad its worth _moving cities and states to avoid_.
- 0xdeadb00f 5y ago
  Wearing a mask is one of the least inconvenient inconveniences I've had during this pandemic.
  - angryasian 5y ago
    agreed, always maintaining 6 feet is harder as I forget sometimes or just not paying too much attention
- packetlost 5y ago
  It's funny, every time this gets brought up people always say "it's not that bad/inconvenient" as if their experience is the only one that matter. If you live where it's hot and humid climate, a cloth face covering will get extremely uncomfortable (and drenched) very quickly. Or god forbid you have glasses, long hair, and/or ear rings that get tangled constantly. I've smashed a pair of sunglasses on the concrete at least twice in the last year because of masks, and very nearly my prescription glasses (which are far more expensive). Not to mention the psychological harm of (mass) mask wearing.
  - minikites 5y ago
    >Not to mention the psychological harm of (mass) mask wearing. What is the mechanism for this harm?
    - packetlost 5y ago
      Mostly feelings of isolation and depression. For some, seeing faces (in person, not over video call) is super important for socialization. Basically, if you "get" people watching, you probably understand what I'm talking about. There's no studies as far as I know, but I imagine there's certain developmental aspects of interpreting facial expressions that young children are also missing out on to some extent. For me personally, I want to leave my house much less when everyone is wearing masks, both because it presents both a physical (however slight) and psychological burden on myself (it matters more for those with ADHD and other neurological differences). The biggest problem I have with the discussion now is that it borders on religious virtue signaling with how far people take it and you cannot bring up any counterarguments or examples without immediately being demonized.
      - justwanttolearn 5y ago
        "The main insight of the present research is that face masks’ use influences emotion inference from faces for all ages and especially for toddlers." https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2021.669432/full https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2021.6694...
- rednerrus 5y ago
  Restaurants, bars, and shows as we know them are probably over. Wearing a mask in a bar or restaurant doesn't make any sense. You're going to take the mask off while you're eating.

bingohbangoh 5y ago

Wearing a mask is not a small ask. If it was, attendance at bars, restaurants, shows, etc. would not fall off a cliff when imposed.

me_me_me 5y ago
> Wearing a mask is not a small ask. Of course it is, I have been wearing mask for 2 years now. And I am wearing glasses. Is washing your hands too much to ask too? > If it was, attendance at bars, restaurants, shows, etc. That was due to social distancing and lockdowns, not masks.
- benttoothpaste 5y ago
  > Is washing your hands too much to ask too? For (too) many people washing hands is indeed too much to ask...
  - voakbasda 5y ago
    >> Is washing your hands too much to ask too? > For (too) many people washing hands is indeed too much to ask... This. This is why Covid is here to stay.
    - bingohbangoh 5y ago
      COVID-19 spreads via the air, not through physical contact.
- bingohbangoh 5y ago
  The capacity limits were not an issue in the summertime when people could hang out outdoors, especially with the loosening of public drinking laws. The masks? they made everything worse. They're incredibly bothersome to wear when its hot and humid, they induce psychological pressure on you via the feeling of being "smothered," and make every social interaction much harder to understand making each interaction more tiring to be a part of. It's equivalent to being in a Zoom conversation where you can't read all the subtleties of somebody else. That's not even mentioning the blue collar labor force which has to wear these for 40 hours a week. My friends who work as waiters, bar staff, etc. still have to wear them during the day. The last thing they want to do when they get off work is to continue wearing them. (all of this is relative to NYC, which had a ~31% closure rate for small businesses) I understand some people here, such as yourself, don't think the masks are a big deal. But to the vast majority of the populace, they are a burden so bad its worth _moving cities and states to avoid_.
0xdeadb00f 5y ago
Wearing a mask is one of the least inconvenient inconveniences I've had during this pandemic.
- angryasian 5y ago
  agreed, always maintaining 6 feet is harder as I forget sometimes or just not paying too much attention
packetlost 5y ago
It's funny, every time this gets brought up people always say "it's not that bad/inconvenient" as if their experience is the only one that matter. If you live where it's hot and humid climate, a cloth face covering will get extremely uncomfortable (and drenched) very quickly. Or god forbid you have glasses, long hair, and/or ear rings that get tangled constantly. I've smashed a pair of sunglasses on the concrete at least twice in the last year because of masks, and very nearly my prescription glasses (which are far more expensive). Not to mention the psychological harm of (mass) mask wearing.
- minikites 5y ago
  >Not to mention the psychological harm of (mass) mask wearing. What is the mechanism for this harm?
  - packetlost 5y ago
    Mostly feelings of isolation and depression. For some, seeing faces (in person, not over video call) is super important for socialization. Basically, if you "get" people watching, you probably understand what I'm talking about. There's no studies as far as I know, but I imagine there's certain developmental aspects of interpreting facial expressions that young children are also missing out on to some extent. For me personally, I want to leave my house much less when everyone is wearing masks, both because it presents both a physical (however slight) and psychological burden on myself (it matters more for those with ADHD and other neurological differences). The biggest problem I have with the discussion now is that it borders on religious virtue signaling with how far people take it and you cannot bring up any counterarguments or examples without immediately being demonized.
    - justwanttolearn 5y ago
      "The main insight of the present research is that face masks’ use influences emotion inference from faces for all ages and especially for toddlers." https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2021.669432/full https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2021.6694...
rednerrus 5y ago
Restaurants, bars, and shows as we know them are probably over. Wearing a mask in a bar or restaurant doesn't make any sense. You're going to take the mask off while you're eating.