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We are never going back to normal. I don't know how to make people understand that. It seems they keep believing that if they just go along and do what they are

We are never going back to normal. I don't know how to make people understand that. It seems they keep believing that if they just go along and do what they are told, things will be normal again. You will see more variants of covid, more restrictions. If you go along with vaccinating and wearing health passes, you will be left alone for now. But you will have to continue to accept whatever they say. You no longer have any right to say no.

suction 5y ago
Seems like we're on 8kun now...
- serial_dev 5y ago
  I was never on 8kun or any similar sites, but honestly, I have similar thoughts and doubts as the post you were responding to had. I'm not saying we never go back to normal, but I have my doubts about when that happens, and I am afraid it will take much much longer than expected. It was "flatten the curve, and stay at home for a month". It was more than a year ago. Then, it was "only if we had vaccine, things could go back to normal". Then we had vaccines, so we were told to take the vaccine, and once we have a reasonable ratio of vaccinated people, things will get better. In developed countries, basically everyone who wanted, could get a vaccine by now. In the news we already hear about the bad outcomes with vaccinations and the variants, and there is also already chatter regarding the third "refresh" dose. The writing is on the wall. This thing will take a long while.
  - MattGaiser 5y ago
    > once we have a reasonable ratio of vaccinated people, things will get better. In developed countries, basically everyone who wanted, could get a vaccine by now. A lot of the problem is that "reasonable ratio" and "everyone who wanted" are not the same number. The number I think of for reasonable ratio is 4 out of 5. Vaccination stalled well before that.
    - serial_dev 5y ago
      Yes, that is true. But it is one more reason why we are not getting back to normal any time soon (in my opinion). It will get only more difficult, in the early phases of the vaccine rollout, with patience and improved logistics, the ratio of vaccinated people improved rapidly. But what can they do next? Now comes the "stick", they will introduce more and more hurdles for the unvaccinated, but that takes time, causes resistance, and it will not increase the numbers fast enough. All the while the variants are coming, and the existing vaccines do not show the same protection against the new variants, so there is a chance that the cycle will just continue with new variants, and new vaccines, new variants...
      - peytn 5y ago
        Yep, the response is driven by bureaucrats passing around PowerPoints. They all have excellent job security.
        oblio 5y ago
        Then what's the "correct" response from a non-bureaucrat?
      - mikecoles 5y ago
        Good luck not having the "stick" be what opens more eyes to previous and current scams the politicians play.
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redis_mlc 5y ago
> We are never going back to normal. I don't know how to make people understand that. This is false. With a mortality rate of only 1 in 1000, at any time US society can decide to live normally and stop hiding. In fact, it's the countries like India, China and Australia that are facing the grimmer alternative of being totally unprepared, which is not the situation the US or Canada is in. (China's Sino* vaccines were only about 50% effective on early corona, and less than that on delta. As a result their BRI workers spread corona to all of their debtor states.)
oblio 5y ago
You do know that this will end, right? The Black Plague ended and they didn't even have antibiotics back then (heck, they didn't even have proper handwashing back then :-) ). Yes, there will probably be some changes compared to life before Covid, but by and large normal activities such socializing, in developed countries, will be back to regular levels once we've vaccinated enough people. Which should be by mid-2022 at the latest. Of course, if people refuse to be vaccinated, they're only prolonging this hell. Can't have both personal freedom and lack of personal responsibility, democracy doesn't work like that.
- mikecoles 5y ago
  People yelling about what others need to do are prolonging this hell.
  - oblio 5y ago
    Gently telling others what they need to do doesn't seem to be working, either. I'm convinced that a certain percentage of the population just doesn't give a crap about others. Hard to say the exact percentage, but something over 10% feels like a safe bet.
  - ImPostingOnHN 5y ago
    people who refuse to vaccinate and mask up when appropriate are who are prolonging this hell

suction 5y ago

Seems like we're on 8kun now...

serial_dev 5y ago
I was never on 8kun or any similar sites, but honestly, I have similar thoughts and doubts as the post you were responding to had. I'm not saying we never go back to normal, but I have my doubts about when that happens, and I am afraid it will take much much longer than expected. It was "flatten the curve, and stay at home for a month". It was more than a year ago. Then, it was "only if we had vaccine, things could go back to normal". Then we had vaccines, so we were told to take the vaccine, and once we have a reasonable ratio of vaccinated people, things will get better. In developed countries, basically everyone who wanted, could get a vaccine by now. In the news we already hear about the bad outcomes with vaccinations and the variants, and there is also already chatter regarding the third "refresh" dose. The writing is on the wall. This thing will take a long while.
- MattGaiser 5y ago
  > once we have a reasonable ratio of vaccinated people, things will get better. In developed countries, basically everyone who wanted, could get a vaccine by now. A lot of the problem is that "reasonable ratio" and "everyone who wanted" are not the same number. The number I think of for reasonable ratio is 4 out of 5. Vaccination stalled well before that.
  - serial_dev 5y ago
    Yes, that is true. But it is one more reason why we are not getting back to normal any time soon (in my opinion). It will get only more difficult, in the early phases of the vaccine rollout, with patience and improved logistics, the ratio of vaccinated people improved rapidly. But what can they do next? Now comes the "stick", they will introduce more and more hurdles for the unvaccinated, but that takes time, causes resistance, and it will not increase the numbers fast enough. All the while the variants are coming, and the existing vaccines do not show the same protection against the new variants, so there is a chance that the cycle will just continue with new variants, and new vaccines, new variants...
    - peytn 5y ago
      Yep, the response is driven by bureaucrats passing around PowerPoints. They all have excellent job security.
      - oblio 5y ago
        Then what's the "correct" response from a non-bureaucrat?
    - mikecoles 5y ago
      Good luck not having the "stick" be what opens more eyes to previous and current scams the politicians play.
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redis_mlc 5y ago

> We are never going back to normal. I don't know how to make people understand that. This is false. With a mortality rate of only 1 in 1000, at any time US society can decide to live normally and stop hiding. In fact, it's the countries like India, China and Australia that are facing the grimmer alternative of being totally unprepared, which is not the situation the US or Canada is in. (China's Sino* vaccines were only about 50% effective on early corona, and less than that on delta. As a result their BRI workers spread corona to all of their debtor states.)

oblio 5y ago

You do know that this will end, right? The Black Plague ended and they didn't even have antibiotics back then (heck, they didn't even have proper handwashing back then :-) ). Yes, there will probably be some changes compared to life before Covid, but by and large normal activities such socializing, in developed countries, will be back to regular levels once we've vaccinated enough people. Which should be by mid-2022 at the latest. Of course, if people refuse to be vaccinated, they're only prolonging this hell. Can't have both personal freedom and lack of personal responsibility, democracy doesn't work like that.

mikecoles 5y ago
People yelling about what others need to do are prolonging this hell.
- oblio 5y ago
  Gently telling others what they need to do doesn't seem to be working, either. I'm convinced that a certain percentage of the population just doesn't give a crap about others. Hard to say the exact percentage, but something over 10% feels like a safe bet.
- ImPostingOnHN 5y ago
  people who refuse to vaccinate and mask up when appropriate are who are prolonging this hell