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Agreed, but requiring stricter identity verification is now considered racism.

eropple 5y ago
No. Doing so in a way that is intentionally designed to be more difficult for disadvantaged groups to fulfill so that they do not participate in the democratic process--that is not "considered" racism, it is racism. But you know that. It must be hard to be so aggrieved.
- TedDoesntTalk 5y ago
  > intentionally designed to be more difficult for disadvantaged groups Why is obtaining an ID "intentionally designed" this way. Don't you need to get a driving license to drive? A passport to re-enter the country? Do disadvantaged groups not get driving licenses?
  - eropple 5y ago
    > Why is obtaining an ID "intentionally designed" this way. Because when you make the places to get them few in number and difficult to get to, then make the lines to get them very long, you create hurdles for people who have jobs that are not overly friendly towards long or variable absences. This is intentional, much as many places in the United States have reorganized voting locations to themselves be difficult to get to. Disenfranchisement is intentional. > Don't you need to get a driving license to drive? ... Do disadvantaged groups not get driving licenses? Many in the United States live in urban areas where they're not required and where they may not be economically feasible. (These folks tend not to vote for the people who are pushing ID requirements.) > A passport to re-enter the country? The set of Americans who never have cause to leave the country is very large.
    - TedDoesntTalk 5y ago
      I've never seen the problem explained this way. Thanks for helping me to understand. Seems like we could "fix it" if there was some way to make obtaining the IDs easy and quick. I doubt there's a solution for that, however...
      - eropple 5y ago
        There are ways, but they would require the cooperation of the political actors who don't want people whose votes they do not have--and, more generally, who they appreciate being at the mercy of the police in very actionable ways, which is the other issue with a lack of identification.

No. Doing so in a way that is intentionally designed to be more difficult for disadvantaged groups to fulfill so that they do not participate in the democratic process--that is not "considered" racism, it is racism. But you know that. It must be hard to be so aggrieved.

TedDoesntTalk 5y ago
> intentionally designed to be more difficult for disadvantaged groups Why is obtaining an ID "intentionally designed" this way. Don't you need to get a driving license to drive? A passport to re-enter the country? Do disadvantaged groups not get driving licenses?
- eropple 5y ago
  > Why is obtaining an ID "intentionally designed" this way. Because when you make the places to get them few in number and difficult to get to, then make the lines to get them very long, you create hurdles for people who have jobs that are not overly friendly towards long or variable absences. This is intentional, much as many places in the United States have reorganized voting locations to themselves be difficult to get to. Disenfranchisement is intentional. > Don't you need to get a driving license to drive? ... Do disadvantaged groups not get driving licenses? Many in the United States live in urban areas where they're not required and where they may not be economically feasible. (These folks tend not to vote for the people who are pushing ID requirements.) > A passport to re-enter the country? The set of Americans who never have cause to leave the country is very large.
  - TedDoesntTalk 5y ago
    I've never seen the problem explained this way. Thanks for helping me to understand. Seems like we could "fix it" if there was some way to make obtaining the IDs easy and quick. I doubt there's a solution for that, however...
    - eropple 5y ago
      There are ways, but they would require the cooperation of the political actors who don't want people whose votes they do not have--and, more generally, who they appreciate being at the mercy of the police in very actionable ways, which is the other issue with a lack of identification.