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With so many unfilled positions - in restaurants, retail, construction, etc. - is yet another government program really the answer? There's plenty of opportunit

With so many unfilled positions - in restaurants, retail, construction, etc. - is yet another government program really the answer? There's plenty of opportunity in the free market to be had. This reads like an ode to a more romantic time, as misguided as even that might be.

tehjoker 5y ago
You'd rather a promising writer serve dishes than write? Would you say that about someone who could code?
- weimerica 5y ago
  In the age of Amazon print-on-demand, social media, and Patreon, if you cannot make money writing I sincerely question your promise as a writer.
  - ggm 5y ago
    Precisely because of the explosion of non-professional writing in these channels, paid writing has dropped in income and effectiveness. That said, the story of the impoverished author was old when "new grub st" was written by George Gissing in 1891 (its a good, depressing read btw) TL;DR patreon makes things worse not better. Kindle destroyed the revenue stream in traditional publishing, for Amazon's net benefit.
    - weimerica 5y ago
      How did it destroy revenue streams exactly? I’ve just never understood that to be the case. (Disclosure, I worked with and attended university on the dime of the folks who built Amazon’s POD acquisition - so I have some fealty (and insight), I suppose)
      - ggm 5y ago
        I've used POD, and within limits, its amazing (the fussyness about KDP print-ready markup is a royal pain, but I blame the PDF standards bodies for that, not to mention the iSBN scam business worldwide. anyhoo) Imagine you have 100 troubadours, touring the kings domains worldwide, for a free food in return for a song, of which only Blondel makes a mint. Then imagine you allow anyone who can play the penny whistle to join: you now have 10,000 touring musicians, all chasing the same meal, but only 10 of them can play as well as Blondel: in aggregate there;s more music but less of it is earning the price of dinner. Kindle has 1,000,000 authors. 999,000 of them write $2 romances or how-to books which earn them side-gig money. 1000 of them will ever be good enough to enter the booker prize. Authors overall are earning on average, less because instead of being essentially broke hobos who live off the advance, they're living off the profits on $2 sells but have to work bloody hard to be "seen" in amongst the success stories. Philip Pullman and Dan Brown aside, on average Authors are not entirely happy with Kindle. Yes, there's more money out there but the jam is being spread thinner. (I was told this by a retiring authors agent here in Australia btw. She was adamant her "list" did worse overall. Other people might say thats not true, and it may be about dis-intermediation. She said the kindle rights were abysmal compared to traditional publishing)
        weimerica 5y ago
        I suppose destroying revenue streams is a way of phrasing the “issue,” but at the end of the day we’re just further democratizing content. If consumers don’t want $REAL_AUTHOR and so she loses money, that’s her failing to adapt to the market. I don't feel that gatekeepers creating artificial scarcity is a good thing.
        ggm 5y ago
        Absent literacy programs and market growth in non English speaking economies, we're fully literate and read as much as we want. So making 100x supply side choice isn't actually "good" except to reduce income per author because in the end I only have 24h per day to read in. I can't read more. There's a disequilibrium here. Sure, choice. But the net effect is Amazon got richer and most authors and publishers lost out.
- BuyMyBitcoins 5y ago
  How about both? I’m not being glib but it’s not like you can’t have a blue collar job and write during your downtime. Especially if it is your passion. You’re far more likely to hire a bunch of “writers” who don’t want to do work they consider beneath them than to give the next Hemingway who is stuck at McDonald’s their big chance.
  - poopypoopington 5y ago
    Hard to write if you're working 80 hours a week at a restaurant. Yes, that is a realistic amount of time for someone at a restaurant to work before you say "just work part time and survive on $200 a week".
    - ducychbrvtg 5y ago
      Lots of prolific writers composed their early works while working menial jobs. It's hardly a barrier to entry for people with something worthwhile to contribute and if anything it's become easier to publish and find an audience rather than harder.
  - uCantCauseUCant 5y ago
    You never once worked a blue collar job, did you?
- brodouevencode 5y ago
  If there is demand for their product they won't have to worry about having to enrolling in such government programs. The same goes for anyone in any discipline.
sorethescore 5y ago
Yes, I'd rather a skilled writer or artist make art than serve food, build homes, or work retail.
- jdminhbg 5y ago
  What about someone who is unskilled at art but skilled at navigating the federal job application process?
mjevans 5y ago
Program? No. Law(s), maybe. Basic minimum: prorated benefits. Pick a cutoff point for full time (say 20 hours) and every hour for a worker under that is pro-rated at their fraction out of "FULLTIME" hours a week for the pay period. Taxes == Benefits: Government does PTO, medical, etc; make everything EASIER FOR BUSINESSES, no more worrying about these things other than over the tops they aren't required to provide. Make those easy too for Paid time off and any other multiplicate benefit a flat multiplier if they want N% the standard rate. The biggest sticking point for some workers revolves around time. Be that work-life balance (partly fixed by some the above), unpredictable hours, or hours that no one wants. It needs to be easier for the workers to have a __viable career__ as a whatever, not just be a cog in a machine that is summoned like a slave at the business' behest. Work/Life balance might include kids or anything else outside of work that's important. Where it doesn't really matter there's an obvious answer. Where it does, like public service, maybe they need workers with careers covering that slot; who expect to regularly work that shift on a predictable schedule. There should also be a formally allowed process for schedules. If it's specified in the primary worker contract as a fixed base schedule that's one thing. If it isn't then the employee should be able to decline, as a contractor that refuses the offered hours, with no other detriment (obviously non-take home pay, but no other penalty).

tehjoker 5y ago

You'd rather a promising writer serve dishes than write? Would you say that about someone who could code?

weimerica 5y ago
In the age of Amazon print-on-demand, social media, and Patreon, if you cannot make money writing I sincerely question your promise as a writer.
- ggm 5y ago
  Precisely because of the explosion of non-professional writing in these channels, paid writing has dropped in income and effectiveness. That said, the story of the impoverished author was old when "new grub st" was written by George Gissing in 1891 (its a good, depressing read btw) TL;DR patreon makes things worse not better. Kindle destroyed the revenue stream in traditional publishing, for Amazon's net benefit.
  - weimerica 5y ago
    How did it destroy revenue streams exactly? I’ve just never understood that to be the case. (Disclosure, I worked with and attended university on the dime of the folks who built Amazon’s POD acquisition - so I have some fealty (and insight), I suppose)
    - ggm 5y ago
      I've used POD, and within limits, its amazing (the fussyness about KDP print-ready markup is a royal pain, but I blame the PDF standards bodies for that, not to mention the iSBN scam business worldwide. anyhoo) Imagine you have 100 troubadours, touring the kings domains worldwide, for a free food in return for a song, of which only Blondel makes a mint. Then imagine you allow anyone who can play the penny whistle to join: you now have 10,000 touring musicians, all chasing the same meal, but only 10 of them can play as well as Blondel: in aggregate there;s more music but less of it is earning the price of dinner. Kindle has 1,000,000 authors. 999,000 of them write $2 romances or how-to books which earn them side-gig money. 1000 of them will ever be good enough to enter the booker prize. Authors overall are earning on average, less because instead of being essentially broke hobos who live off the advance, they're living off the profits on $2 sells but have to work bloody hard to be "seen" in amongst the success stories. Philip Pullman and Dan Brown aside, on average Authors are not entirely happy with Kindle. Yes, there's more money out there but the jam is being spread thinner. (I was told this by a retiring authors agent here in Australia btw. She was adamant her "list" did worse overall. Other people might say thats not true, and it may be about dis-intermediation. She said the kindle rights were abysmal compared to traditional publishing)
      - weimerica 5y ago
        I suppose destroying revenue streams is a way of phrasing the “issue,” but at the end of the day we’re just further democratizing content. If consumers don’t want $REAL_AUTHOR and so she loses money, that’s her failing to adapt to the market. I don't feel that gatekeepers creating artificial scarcity is a good thing.
        ggm 5y ago
        Absent literacy programs and market growth in non English speaking economies, we're fully literate and read as much as we want. So making 100x supply side choice isn't actually "good" except to reduce income per author because in the end I only have 24h per day to read in. I can't read more. There's a disequilibrium here. Sure, choice. But the net effect is Amazon got richer and most authors and publishers lost out.
BuyMyBitcoins 5y ago
How about both? I’m not being glib but it’s not like you can’t have a blue collar job and write during your downtime. Especially if it is your passion. You’re far more likely to hire a bunch of “writers” who don’t want to do work they consider beneath them than to give the next Hemingway who is stuck at McDonald’s their big chance.
- poopypoopington 5y ago
  Hard to write if you're working 80 hours a week at a restaurant. Yes, that is a realistic amount of time for someone at a restaurant to work before you say "just work part time and survive on $200 a week".
  - ducychbrvtg 5y ago
    Lots of prolific writers composed their early works while working menial jobs. It's hardly a barrier to entry for people with something worthwhile to contribute and if anything it's become easier to publish and find an audience rather than harder.
- uCantCauseUCant 5y ago
  You never once worked a blue collar job, did you?
brodouevencode 5y ago
If there is demand for their product they won't have to worry about having to enrolling in such government programs. The same goes for anyone in any discipline.

sorethescore 5y ago

Yes, I'd rather a skilled writer or artist make art than serve food, build homes, or work retail.

jdminhbg 5y ago
What about someone who is unskilled at art but skilled at navigating the federal job application process?

mjevans 5y ago

Program? No. Law(s), maybe. Basic minimum: prorated benefits. Pick a cutoff point for full time (say 20 hours) and every hour for a worker under that is pro-rated at their fraction out of "FULLTIME" hours a week for the pay period. Taxes == Benefits: Government does PTO, medical, etc; make everything EASIER FOR BUSINESSES, no more worrying about these things other than over the tops they aren't required to provide. Make those easy too for Paid time off and any other multiplicate benefit a flat multiplier if they want N% the standard rate. The biggest sticking point for some workers revolves around time. Be that work-life balance (partly fixed by some the above), unpredictable hours, or hours that no one wants. It needs to be easier for the workers to have a __viable career__ as a whatever, not just be a cog in a machine that is summoned like a slave at the business' behest. Work/Life balance might include kids or anything else outside of work that's important. Where it doesn't really matter there's an obvious answer. Where it does, like public service, maybe they need workers with careers covering that slot; who expect to regularly work that shift on a predictable schedule. There should also be a formally allowed process for schedules. If it's specified in the primary worker contract as a fixed base schedule that's one thing. If it isn't then the employee should be able to decline, as a contractor that refuses the offered hours, with no other detriment (obviously non-take home pay, but no other penalty).