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I havent (needed) a flu shot in a couple decades. I'm not interested in yearly jabs. Better to lose the waist inches and high BMI. Few want the self-responsibi

I havent (needed) a flu shot in a couple decades. I'm not interested in yearly jabs. Better to lose the waist inches and high BMI. Few want the self-responsibility of healthy living. And I don't agree with headline of "grim", as it was obvious a year ago this was coming. Who lost any excess weight in the past year?

brodouevencode 5y ago
Not sure why you're getting downvoted. Comorbidity is a fundamental driving factor in whether or not you survive this virus. We've not heard any recommendations from any health agency suggesting a healthier lifestyle would help - it most certainly would statistically speaking. And 18 months in I doubt we'll see anything like that because it has proven to not be politically expedient. (FWIW Ive been intermittent fasting with some pretty good success)
- iammisc 5y ago
  Yup... it's beeen 18 month. WE'd have been better off with a run a mile a day mandate than any of the lockdowns.
  - loopz 5y ago
    Survivorship bias and anecdata.
    - Karrot_Kream 5y ago
      Not here. Diabetes and heart disease are both associated with worse outcomes for COVID. That said I don't think it's realistic to expect more than a few people try to become more fit to stave off COVID.
      - loopz 5y ago
        There's no evidence "becoming fit staves off Covid".
        brodouevencode 5y ago
        Being fit does, as the data states.
      - iammisc 5y ago
        It also was not realistic to expect 100% to take a vaccine. Intelligent people realized this months ago but that became policy.
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > We've not heard any recommendations from any health agency suggesting a healthier lifestyle would help - it most certainly would statistically speaking. Would it? Do you have research on recent lifestyle changes and COVID? Or are you just assuming that on-average stats relating to comorbities represent simple binary on-off switches?
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wrl 5y ago
I live healthy. I built a home gym at the start of lockdown and have continued to train powerlifting and Olympic WL both throughout. I get my cardio in, I eat well. I didn't lose weight in the past year – I gained muscle, and my numbers are the best they've ever been. I got both Pfizer/BNT shots as soon as I could, and I'll get the boosters as soon as I can too. The belief that healthy living alone is enough to stymie a virus that we still understand relatively poorly is foolhardy. It's in the same category as juice cleanses and homeopathy as far as I'm concerned.
- oliv__ 5y ago
  As far as "belief" goes, you're the one on the side of belief here. All the data and numbers show the risk is incredibly low for someone like you (provided you don't have an auto-immune disease)
  - wrl 5y ago
    > As far as "belief" goes, you're the one on the side of belief here. No. We don't understand why COVID hits some people harder than others. We don't understand why some people end up with "long COVID" sequelae and some don't. I don't particularly want to roll those dice from immunological naivety. The vaccines were free. The biggest risk I would have faced was myocarditis, and the risk even for that is higher from a COVID infection than from the mRNA vaccines. Furthermore, getting vaccinated means that we all get back to a place where COVID is less of a big deal societally. While the data does show that vaccinated individuals can transmit Delta, it shows that they do so for a shorter period of time, and anything we can shave off of R0 is a good thing. Perfect, enemy of good, etc. Getting vaccinated was close to no skin off my back. I had a sore arm for a few days. The payoff is that I reduce the (admittedly small) risk I did have, and I'm part of the herd boxing COVID in. What's the downside?
    - oliv__ 5y ago
      > What's the downside? We don't know what we don't know. That's the downside. You've just taken an experimental drug which has yet to be approved by the FDA, and was designed using novel technology we haven't broadly tested on humans. What's more, the companies providing the shots cannot be held liable for these vaccines. Who's to say we don't discover issues with mRNA delivery 5 years from now? That risk seems much higher to me than the risk of long COVID for individuals such as yourself (and me).
Jordrok 5y ago
If you were as responsible as you proclaim to be, you'd be doing both.

brodouevencode 5y ago

Not sure why you're getting downvoted. Comorbidity is a fundamental driving factor in whether or not you survive this virus. We've not heard any recommendations from any health agency suggesting a healthier lifestyle would help - it most certainly would statistically speaking. And 18 months in I doubt we'll see anything like that because it has proven to not be politically expedient. (FWIW Ive been intermittent fasting with some pretty good success)

iammisc 5y ago
Yup... it's beeen 18 month. WE'd have been better off with a run a mile a day mandate than any of the lockdowns.
- loopz 5y ago
  Survivorship bias and anecdata.
  - Karrot_Kream 5y ago
    Not here. Diabetes and heart disease are both associated with worse outcomes for COVID. That said I don't think it's realistic to expect more than a few people try to become more fit to stave off COVID.
    - loopz 5y ago
      There's no evidence "becoming fit staves off Covid".
      - brodouevencode 5y ago
        Being fit does, as the data states.
    - iammisc 5y ago
      It also was not realistic to expect 100% to take a vaccine. Intelligent people realized this months ago but that became policy.
dragonwriter 5y ago
> We've not heard any recommendations from any health agency suggesting a healthier lifestyle would help - it most certainly would statistically speaking. Would it? Do you have research on recent lifestyle changes and COVID? Or are you just assuming that on-average stats relating to comorbities represent simple binary on-off switches?

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wrl 5y ago

I live healthy. I built a home gym at the start of lockdown and have continued to train powerlifting and Olympic WL both throughout. I get my cardio in, I eat well. I didn't lose weight in the past year – I gained muscle, and my numbers are the best they've ever been. I got both Pfizer/BNT shots as soon as I could, and I'll get the boosters as soon as I can too. The belief that healthy living alone is enough to stymie a virus that we still understand relatively poorly is foolhardy. It's in the same category as juice cleanses and homeopathy as far as I'm concerned.

oliv__ 5y ago
As far as "belief" goes, you're the one on the side of belief here. All the data and numbers show the risk is incredibly low for someone like you (provided you don't have an auto-immune disease)
- wrl 5y ago
  > As far as "belief" goes, you're the one on the side of belief here. No. We don't understand why COVID hits some people harder than others. We don't understand why some people end up with "long COVID" sequelae and some don't. I don't particularly want to roll those dice from immunological naivety. The vaccines were free. The biggest risk I would have faced was myocarditis, and the risk even for that is higher from a COVID infection than from the mRNA vaccines. Furthermore, getting vaccinated means that we all get back to a place where COVID is less of a big deal societally. While the data does show that vaccinated individuals can transmit Delta, it shows that they do so for a shorter period of time, and anything we can shave off of R0 is a good thing. Perfect, enemy of good, etc. Getting vaccinated was close to no skin off my back. I had a sore arm for a few days. The payoff is that I reduce the (admittedly small) risk I did have, and I'm part of the herd boxing COVID in. What's the downside?
  - oliv__ 5y ago
    > What's the downside? We don't know what we don't know. That's the downside. You've just taken an experimental drug which has yet to be approved by the FDA, and was designed using novel technology we haven't broadly tested on humans. What's more, the companies providing the shots cannot be held liable for these vaccines. Who's to say we don't discover issues with mRNA delivery 5 years from now? That risk seems much higher to me than the risk of long COVID for individuals such as yourself (and me).

Jordrok 5y ago

If you were as responsible as you proclaim to be, you'd be doing both.