3 ms·

I realize it says that one mayor is against tourists but I'm not a fan of articles like this that take anecdotal social media posts from fringe political actors

I realize it says that one mayor is against tourists but I'm not a fan of articles like this that take anecdotal social media posts from fringe political actors as the word of Hawaii residents. There is no attempt to show data, or even take a reasonable stab, at what the overall view of the citizenry is. If a majority of Hawaii residents wanted visitors to stop then the governor and mayors could close down all hotels, restaurants, and tourist facilities. It likely isn't doing that because the people posting that tourism is cultural genocide are people that do not represent the majority of the population. I'm sure you could find people in Florida who are saying that Disney World should close down - but that clearly would not represent the view of Floridians.

graderjs 5y ago
I agree that the type of articles you envision are no good. I aslo dislike them and think they are unnecessary "outrage porn". However in this case I have been seeing this news for a little while from a number of sources, so I don't think it's that type. My feeling is about this topic, the "too many tourists, we need a break", this is definitely a significant (25% -> majority) view from Hawai'i residents. I'm sure there are some residents who are stoked at the surge, but let me take a look and some sources for you about the anti- push. Also...I think you miscategorize the article, it doesn't seem to me like the mayor is "against" tourists, just that he "wants a pause" in the numbers, in order to prevent some of the downsides of such high demand. Anyway, I think it's an interesting topic. I definitely plan to visit Hawai'i as soon as possible, but I'd prefer to wait until it's less crowded: not really because of the issues here--although I think it's important and I'd like to consider them more; know more about them-- but because I'd want less people: it's more pleasant holiday then :) edit: I couldn't find as many articles as I expected, haha. Well that a lesson in how the 'reality' can be distorted by whatever tech/media filter bubbles we are passing through. So my view now is that this is still definitely a thing, but it's less of a thing than I expected, probably. Still, I think the best way for me to know would to actually be there and sense how the locals feel about it. But there are articles, here are a couple, and a search for more: - https://www.google.com/search?q=hawaii+news+tourist&rlz=1C1GTPM_enTW925TW925&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjrucm2gbfyAhWRyosBHbPIAgwQ_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1270&bih=584 https://www.google.com/search?q=hawaii+news+tourist&rlz=1C1G... - https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2021/07/26/tourism-surges-pre-pandemic-levels-businesses-struggle-meet-demand/ https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2021/07/26/tourism-surges-pre-... - https://www.staradvertiser.com/2021/08/16/editorial/our-view/editorial-showing-tourists-another-hawaii/ https://www.staradvertiser.com/2021/08/16/editorial/our-view... - https://www.khon2.com/local-news/several-native-hawaiian-organizations-ask-leaders-to-stop-prioritizing-tourism/ https://www.khon2.com/local-news/several-native-hawaiian-org... - https://www.civilbeat.org/2021/08/trisha-kehaulani-watson-a-wave-of-entitled-tourists-shows-the-need-for-action/ https://www.civilbeat.org/2021/08/trisha-kehaulani-watson-a-...

graderjs 5y ago

I agree that the type of articles you envision are no good. I aslo dislike them and think they are unnecessary "outrage porn". However in this case I have been seeing this news for a little while from a number of sources, so I don't think it's that type. My feeling is about this topic, the "too many tourists, we need a break", this is definitely a significant (25% -> majority) view from Hawai'i residents. I'm sure there are some residents who are stoked at the surge, but let me take a look and some sources for you about the anti- push. Also...I think you miscategorize the article, it doesn't seem to me like the mayor is "against" tourists, just that he "wants a pause" in the numbers, in order to prevent some of the downsides of such high demand. Anyway, I think it's an interesting topic. I definitely plan to visit Hawai'i as soon as possible, but I'd prefer to wait until it's less crowded: not really because of the issues here--although I think it's important and I'd like to consider them more; know more about them-- but because I'd want less people: it's more pleasant holiday then :) edit: I couldn't find as many articles as I expected, haha. Well that a lesson in how the 'reality' can be distorted by whatever tech/media filter bubbles we are passing through. So my view now is that this is still definitely a thing, but it's less of a thing than I expected, probably. Still, I think the best way for me to know would to actually be there and sense how the locals feel about it. But there are articles, here are a couple, and a search for more: - https://www.google.com/search?q=hawaii+news+tourist&rlz=1C1GTPM_enTW925TW925&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjrucm2gbfyAhWRyosBHbPIAgwQ_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1270&bih=584 https://www.google.com/search?q=hawaii+news+tourist&rlz=1C1G... - https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2021/07/26/tourism-surges-pre-pandemic-levels-businesses-struggle-meet-demand/ https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2021/07/26/tourism-surges-pre-... - https://www.staradvertiser.com/2021/08/16/editorial/our-view/editorial-showing-tourists-another-hawaii/ https://www.staradvertiser.com/2021/08/16/editorial/our-view... - https://www.khon2.com/local-news/several-native-hawaiian-organizations-ask-leaders-to-stop-prioritizing-tourism/ https://www.khon2.com/local-news/several-native-hawaiian-org... - https://www.civilbeat.org/2021/08/trisha-kehaulani-watson-a-wave-of-entitled-tourists-shows-the-need-for-action/ https://www.civilbeat.org/2021/08/trisha-kehaulani-watson-a-...