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I see this a lot but don't understand why. China has every motivation to prop up the Taliban. A sister comment already noted the mineral resources, but don't f

by Mizza 5y ago

I see this a lot but don't understand why. China has every motivation to prop up the Taliban. A sister comment already noted the mineral resources, but don't forget the main function of Afghanistan as a nation: production of heroin. Narcopolitics are so fantastically more significant than ever gets any attention from "surface" media, but this is the name of the game. Chinese fentanyl has taken over the global opiate black market, so they have every incentive to support the Taliban who will repress the rival heroin trade over the US-backed government who supported it.

jdavis703 5y ago
The Taliban taxes opium farming and manufacturing. It’s believed to be a significant source of revenue for them. But, China probably still has the upper hand in the opiate business here, because fentanyl is far easier to smuggle.
- 55555 5y ago
  China has easier access to opium/heroin from the golden triangle anyway, if they need a non-syntheic.
  - wavefunction 5y ago
    China can have both, I don't see why having both Afghanistan and the Golden Triangle in your pocket is a bad thing if you're interested in opiate production at the global scale.
- Mizza 5y ago
  I'm skeptical of this common claim. Perhaps that was true when they were an insurgent force needing funds, but I don't think it will continue now that they are in power. Afghan heroin production was at its lowest - essentially none - after it was completely forbidden the last time the Taliban were in power in 2000/2001.
- hellbannedguy 5y ago
  I just heard the Taliban is tithing at 10% a year. In bad years, they don't expect any taxes. (It does look like the Taliban has lightened up a bit, but time will tell. Every news station is bashing every aspect of the Taliban.)
- ComputerGuru 5y ago
  Taliban is/was pretty ardently anti-opium even when they were running the show and could make infinite cash off its taxation or production. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_production_in_Afghanistan https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_production_in_Afghanis... > The opium trade spiked in 2006 after the Taliban lost control of local warlords https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/investigations/afghanistan-papers/afghanistan-war-opium-poppy-production/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/investigations/... > Ironically, the only power that has demonstrated an ability to cripple the Afghan drug industry is the Taliban. > In July 2000, when the Taliban controlled most of the country, its reclusive one-eyed leader, Mullah Mohammad Omar, declared that opium was un-Islamic and imposed a ban on growing poppies. > Much to the surprise of the rest of the world, the ban worked. Afraid to cross the Taliban, Afghan farmers immediately ceased planting poppies. The United Nations estimated that poppy cultivation plunged by 90 percent from 2000 to 2001.
baybal2 5y ago
> Narcopolitics are so fantastically more significant than ever gets any attention from "surface" media Indeed! The speculation is that there are people very high up in Chinese system who are cashing up on industrial scale fentanyl production. Syrian Assad family now makes more money on captagon than they were doing before the war from all their businesses. Putin Vladimir, the Russian president, made his early fortune on providing legal cover to drug trade in Saint Petersburg, and later delved into the business himself. Russia now runs a state business of drug smuggling through its military missions abroad, and diplomatic missions. And of course, most famously, Great Britain used to be the biggest narcostate in history. Fortunes of many modern day British elites were built in these times.
- edot 5y ago
  Any book recommendations on this topic? Particularly the last point - always crazy to learn how the rich of today made their fortunes from now-illegal means (drug trafficking, slavery, arms dealing, etc.).
  - uCantCauseUCant 5y ago
    This british crimes are used as a justification in chinas drug production today. Cause if you export to the ex-colonizers, than is retribution, justified and okay.
dillondoyle 5y ago
100% on board. but one scenario: if Taliban supported uprising in Xinjiang. That was one of the things talked about at their recent summit. CCP loves to say don't mess with our internal 'affairs'

by Mizza 5y ago

jdavis703 5y ago

The Taliban taxes opium farming and manufacturing. It’s believed to be a significant source of revenue for them. But, China probably still has the upper hand in the opiate business here, because fentanyl is far easier to smuggle.

55555 5y ago
China has easier access to opium/heroin from the golden triangle anyway, if they need a non-syntheic.
- wavefunction 5y ago
  China can have both, I don't see why having both Afghanistan and the Golden Triangle in your pocket is a bad thing if you're interested in opiate production at the global scale.
Mizza 5y ago
I'm skeptical of this common claim. Perhaps that was true when they were an insurgent force needing funds, but I don't think it will continue now that they are in power. Afghan heroin production was at its lowest - essentially none - after it was completely forbidden the last time the Taliban were in power in 2000/2001.
hellbannedguy 5y ago
I just heard the Taliban is tithing at 10% a year. In bad years, they don't expect any taxes. (It does look like the Taliban has lightened up a bit, but time will tell. Every news station is bashing every aspect of the Taliban.)
ComputerGuru 5y ago
Taliban is/was pretty ardently anti-opium even when they were running the show and could make infinite cash off its taxation or production. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_production_in_Afghanistan https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_production_in_Afghanis... > The opium trade spiked in 2006 after the Taliban lost control of local warlords https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/investigations/afghanistan-papers/afghanistan-war-opium-poppy-production/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/investigations/... > Ironically, the only power that has demonstrated an ability to cripple the Afghan drug industry is the Taliban. > In July 2000, when the Taliban controlled most of the country, its reclusive one-eyed leader, Mullah Mohammad Omar, declared that opium was un-Islamic and imposed a ban on growing poppies. > Much to the surprise of the rest of the world, the ban worked. Afraid to cross the Taliban, Afghan farmers immediately ceased planting poppies. The United Nations estimated that poppy cultivation plunged by 90 percent from 2000 to 2001.

baybal2 5y ago

> Narcopolitics are so fantastically more significant than ever gets any attention from "surface" media Indeed! The speculation is that there are people very high up in Chinese system who are cashing up on industrial scale fentanyl production. Syrian Assad family now makes more money on captagon than they were doing before the war from all their businesses. Putin Vladimir, the Russian president, made his early fortune on providing legal cover to drug trade in Saint Petersburg, and later delved into the business himself. Russia now runs a state business of drug smuggling through its military missions abroad, and diplomatic missions. And of course, most famously, Great Britain used to be the biggest narcostate in history. Fortunes of many modern day British elites were built in these times.

edot 5y ago
Any book recommendations on this topic? Particularly the last point - always crazy to learn how the rich of today made their fortunes from now-illegal means (drug trafficking, slavery, arms dealing, etc.).
- uCantCauseUCant 5y ago
  This british crimes are used as a justification in chinas drug production today. Cause if you export to the ex-colonizers, than is retribution, justified and okay.

dillondoyle 5y ago

100% on board. but one scenario: if Taliban supported uprising in Xinjiang. That was one of the things talked about at their recent summit. CCP loves to say don't mess with our internal 'affairs'