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I'm looking at Wikipedia page of most sold Android devices ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_mobile_phones https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/

by phh 5y ago

I'm looking at Wikipedia page of most sold Android devices ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_mobile_phones https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_mobile_... ). We've got Samsung, Xiaomi and Huawei devices. Samsung and Xiaomi are root able (as far as I know without issue, having 4 Samsung devices in my collection, though sibling says otherwise). Only Huawei isn't (and it's actually much lower than Samsung and Xiaomi). I'm speaking only of root ability without security flaw (Huawei had some.), Since we're discussing user hostility That being said, there is one feature that is user hostile with regard to owning your software, it's contactless payment. Contactless payments all require stupid security requirements, that the community well knows how to circumvent (so it doesn't provide any actual security), but are pretty annoying for the user. I would guess Google isn't to blame there (even though GPay does have this anti-feature just like all other services, and Google being more monopolistic manage to make it even more annoying. But still insecure)

ajsnigrutin 5y ago
Rooting nexus and pixel devices makes them unable to be updated directly, so you need to update them via fastboot/adb and with a cable + root again with every update
- marcan_42 5y ago
  Just flash something like LineageOS, which has a built in updater that works seamlessly. It's not surprising that making changes to an OS designed for delta updates and an immutable OS partition breaks updates. That's just how the technology works; the solution is to use an OS that is designed for that kind of use case. Root patches for original vendor OSes are never a particularly clean or secure experience.
  - ajsnigrutin 5y ago
    But that then breaks all the google goodies that you get with a pixel. I'm just trying to say that rooting (and then updating) is not something you'd have your parents do by themselves.
    - marcan_42 5y ago
      What google goodies? The camera works fine with Google Camera, if that's what you mean. So do things like the background song identification and such.

by phh 5y ago

ajsnigrutin 5y ago

Rooting nexus and pixel devices makes them unable to be updated directly, so you need to update them via fastboot/adb and with a cable + root again with every update

marcan_42 5y ago
Just flash something like LineageOS, which has a built in updater that works seamlessly. It's not surprising that making changes to an OS designed for delta updates and an immutable OS partition breaks updates. That's just how the technology works; the solution is to use an OS that is designed for that kind of use case. Root patches for original vendor OSes are never a particularly clean or secure experience.
- ajsnigrutin 5y ago
  But that then breaks all the google goodies that you get with a pixel. I'm just trying to say that rooting (and then updating) is not something you'd have your parents do by themselves.
  - marcan_42 5y ago
    What google goodies? The camera works fine with Google Camera, if that's what you mean. So do things like the background song identification and such.