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> The reality is Teslas are no safer than any other vehicles in its class ($40k+). Would another way of saying this be that they are as safe as other vehicles

by wilg 5y ago

> The reality is Teslas are no safer than any other vehicles in its class ($40k+). Would another way of saying this be that they are as safe as other vehicles in that class? And that therefore Autopilot is not more unsafe than driving those other cars?

ra7 5y ago
I would probably agree, but I also think it’s a case of “need more data”. We should really compare Autopilot with its competitors like GM’s Super Cruise or Ford’s Blue Cruise, both of which offer more capabilities than Autopilot. That will show if Tesla’s driver assist system is more or less safe than their competitors product.
- ggreer 5y ago
  What capabilities does GM or Ford have that Tesla doesn't? Neither GM nor Ford have rolled out automatic lane changing. Teslas have been doing that since 2019. The reason GM's Super Cruise got a higher rating by Consumer Reports was because CR didn't even test the capabilities that only Tesla had (such as automatic lane change and taking offramps/onramps). Also, the majority of the evaluation criteria weren't about capabilities. eg: "unresponsive driver", "clear when safe to use", and "keeping the driver engaged".[1] 1. https://www.consumerreports.org/car-safety/cadillac-super-cruise-outperforms-other-active-driving-assistance-systems/ https://www.consumerreports.org/car-safety/cadillac-super-cr...
pandaman 5y ago
Do you know many vehicles $40K+ that don't have BLIS and rear/front cross traffic alerts? While a radar-based blind sport alert (one that warns if a car behind is moving too fast to safely merge) is probably irrelevant for the city driving, the cross traffic is extremely useful when pulling out of driveway obstructed by parked cars, I personally have seen several accidents just on my street that could have been prevented with cross traffic detection. I think the expensive models (S/X) still have the front radar so they may have the front alert but I don't think any model ever had the rear radar for the rear cross traffic alert.

by wilg 5y ago

ra7 5y ago

I would probably agree, but I also think it’s a case of “need more data”. We should really compare Autopilot with its competitors like GM’s Super Cruise or Ford’s Blue Cruise, both of which offer more capabilities than Autopilot. That will show if Tesla’s driver assist system is more or less safe than their competitors product.

ggreer 5y ago
What capabilities does GM or Ford have that Tesla doesn't? Neither GM nor Ford have rolled out automatic lane changing. Teslas have been doing that since 2019. The reason GM's Super Cruise got a higher rating by Consumer Reports was because CR didn't even test the capabilities that only Tesla had (such as automatic lane change and taking offramps/onramps). Also, the majority of the evaluation criteria weren't about capabilities. eg: "unresponsive driver", "clear when safe to use", and "keeping the driver engaged".[1] 1. https://www.consumerreports.org/car-safety/cadillac-super-cruise-outperforms-other-active-driving-assistance-systems/ https://www.consumerreports.org/car-safety/cadillac-super-cr...

pandaman 5y ago

Do you know many vehicles $40K+ that don't have BLIS and rear/front cross traffic alerts? While a radar-based blind sport alert (one that warns if a car behind is moving too fast to safely merge) is probably irrelevant for the city driving, the cross traffic is extremely useful when pulling out of driveway obstructed by parked cars, I personally have seen several accidents just on my street that could have been prevented with cross traffic detection. I think the expensive models (S/X) still have the front radar so they may have the front alert but I don't think any model ever had the rear radar for the rear cross traffic alert.