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Free app based on the same idea: https://apps.ankiweb.net/ https://apps.ankiweb.net/ https://github.com/ankitects/anki-manual/ https://github.com/ankitects/an

Free app based on the same idea: https://apps.ankiweb.net/ https://apps.ankiweb.net/ https://github.com/ankitects/anki-manual/ https://github.com/ankitects/anki-manual/

gbear605 5y ago
There’s also Mnemosyne which is fully FOSS unlike Anki. https://mnemosyne-proj.org/ https://mnemosyne-proj.org/
- Jtsummers 5y ago
  https://github.com/ankitects/anki/blob/main/LICENSE https://github.com/ankitects/anki/blob/main/LICENSE I'm pretty sure Anki is FOSS, though perhaps you just don't like the AGPL?
  - mikaelmello 5y ago
    I think they meant the other parts of the Anki ecosystem that are not FOSS, AnkiWeb and the iOS app.
  - zzzbra 5y ago
    I think they may be referring to the iOS app and web app which are closed source.
reactspa 5y ago
Anki is great... however: ... having used it for the last 4 years to try to memorize vocabulary in certain languages (Spanish & French, recently started Chinese), I think it's a base layer... (much like how Bitcoiners like to talk about BTC's Blockchain). Reasons: 1. I've tired of it. I need a layer that makes me excited to use it. 2. I've found it far-far less useful for learning other things than rote vocabulary memorization. It needs a layer that makes it easy to store and "pull up" everything I need to know. That said, I don't want to sound like I'm looking a gift-horse in the mouth. Anki truly is a great piece of software, and my sincere thanks to the devs.
- david-gpu 5y ago
  In my opinion people often make the mistake of using Anki to memorize one-to-one translations of foreign words. It is more effective to use it to learn the mapping of whole sentences. For every word you want to learn, add a few idiomatic and representative sentences in Anki. You can do the same for every new grammatical concept you want to learn. And don't forget to use Anki's text-to-speech tools to practice listening as well as speaking. Does it replace other forms of learning entirely? No, but it can be a great component of learning a new language.
  - wsinks 5y ago
    Any chance you've studied either Spanish or Russian and have decks to share? I've never fully gotten started with Anki, but would love to get back into it to use it to expand my vocab with full sentences. I'll also be checking online now that you've spurred my curiosity, just curious if you have ones that you like too.
    - lethologica 5y ago
      Keep in mind, the full value from Anki really comes from creating your own decks rather than using preconfigured ones.
      - trickjarrett 5y ago
        This was a huge eye opening moment for me. I thought it was about using a deck, and I always found it less than fantastic. Now that I am making my own deck, it is far more useful.
    - adrianN 5y ago
      There is this guy who turned the Tatoeba database into Anki decks: https://digitalwords.net/anki/tatoeba-audio/index.eng.html https://digitalwords.net/anki/tatoeba-audio/index.eng.html
  - hobo_mark 5y ago
    That's exactly what I do. From videos I use losslesscut [1] to isolate the sentences I want to practice on and then turn those into anki flashcards with some custom tools I wrote. [1] https://github.com/mifi/lossless-cut https://github.com/mifi/lossless-cut
Asraelite 5y ago
The consensus within the Anki community seems to be that yes, the SuperMemo scheduling algorithm (SM-17) is a bit better than Anki's (SM-2 variant), but not by enough to matter, so you shouldn't worry about it. But when you look into tests people have done to see how much better it is exactly, it's around 30% more efficient. I still use Anki and am grateful for its existence, but this is a huge difference in efficiency. I wish there was a better open source scheduling algorithm available.
- SamBam 5y ago
  How come Anki cant update it itself? Is SM-17 just a different set of exponential-decay functions from SM-2? Is that even copyrightable? Also, if Anki is open-source, I'm surprised that there is no unofficial port that uses SM-17. But maybe I'm just ignorant of how much work that would involve.
  - SirensOfTitan 5y ago
    Woz goes into detail about the SM-17 algorithm here: https://supermemo.guru/wiki/Algorithm_SM-17 https://supermemo.guru/wiki/Algorithm_SM-17 ... he's built these through decades of thinking of and tinkering and working on this singular problem. SM-2 is from 1987 for SM for DOS 1.0, and is fairly simplistic comparatively.
  - Asraelite 5y ago
    SM-17 is much more complicated and also closed source. You would have to spend a while reverse-engineering it.
- tmaly 5y ago
  Is there a version of Anki that uses SuperMemo or is there another software that implements it?
- andai 5y ago
  I'm curious about those tests, do you have a link? I'm also curious if there's been any attempts at open-source versions of more recent supermemo algorithms.
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nzeribe 5y ago
Anki is just a slice of Piotr Wozniak's ideas, and the algorithm it uses isn't as good as that implemented in his own software, SuperMemo. And besides: it doesn't do incremental reading, which is lights-out amazing: https://super-memo.com/supermemo18.html https://super-memo.com/supermemo18.html
- SamBam 5y ago
  I'm interested in incremental-reading, but the video he has really doesn't sell it for me [1] It seems like you skim through an article, extract a few facts, and add them to your memorization schedule. Would it really help you summarize the article, or help you synthesize the arguments and follow the logic leading to a conclusion? 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoQoeK53bP8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoQoeK53bP8
  - LittleFishyChan 5y ago
    Hello! I made a few videos that explain how incremental Reading works: 1 Topics: https://youtu.be/1ZNsn8IL-TM https://youtu.be/1ZNsn8IL-TM 2 Incremental Reading core analogy: https://youtu.be/Wme2RLm1jWY https://youtu.be/Wme2RLm1jWY 3 How Incremental Reading makes micro learning easy: https://youtu.be/piqq1kwYL5s https://youtu.be/piqq1kwYL5s Spoiler alert: basically incremental reading is like using save states when playing a game with an emulator. As one might save their game state before and after a challenging section in a game, when you find a difficult to understand/explain idea, incremental reading makes it easy to pause and synthesize that idea before moving on. Yes at the end also it’s good to summarize the ideas to yourself and simplify that explanation, and then use SuperMemo to memorize that explanation. Incremental reading is hard to explain why it is so useful, I’ve been using SuperMemo every day for 15 years and I still feel like I am learning new things

Free app based on the same idea: https://apps.ankiweb.net/ https://apps.ankiweb.net/ https://github.com/ankitects/anki-manual/ https://github.com/ankitects/anki-manual/

gbear605 5y ago

There’s also Mnemosyne which is fully FOSS unlike Anki. https://mnemosyne-proj.org/ https://mnemosyne-proj.org/

Jtsummers 5y ago
https://github.com/ankitects/anki/blob/main/LICENSE https://github.com/ankitects/anki/blob/main/LICENSE I'm pretty sure Anki is FOSS, though perhaps you just don't like the AGPL?
- mikaelmello 5y ago
  I think they meant the other parts of the Anki ecosystem that are not FOSS, AnkiWeb and the iOS app.
- zzzbra 5y ago
  I think they may be referring to the iOS app and web app which are closed source.

reactspa 5y ago

Anki is great... however: ... having used it for the last 4 years to try to memorize vocabulary in certain languages (Spanish & French, recently started Chinese), I think it's a base layer... (much like how Bitcoiners like to talk about BTC's Blockchain). Reasons: 1. I've tired of it. I need a layer that makes me excited to use it. 2. I've found it far-far less useful for learning other things than rote vocabulary memorization. It needs a layer that makes it easy to store and "pull up" everything I need to know. That said, I don't want to sound like I'm looking a gift-horse in the mouth. Anki truly is a great piece of software, and my sincere thanks to the devs.

david-gpu 5y ago
In my opinion people often make the mistake of using Anki to memorize one-to-one translations of foreign words. It is more effective to use it to learn the mapping of whole sentences. For every word you want to learn, add a few idiomatic and representative sentences in Anki. You can do the same for every new grammatical concept you want to learn. And don't forget to use Anki's text-to-speech tools to practice listening as well as speaking. Does it replace other forms of learning entirely? No, but it can be a great component of learning a new language.
- wsinks 5y ago
  Any chance you've studied either Spanish or Russian and have decks to share? I've never fully gotten started with Anki, but would love to get back into it to use it to expand my vocab with full sentences. I'll also be checking online now that you've spurred my curiosity, just curious if you have ones that you like too.
  - lethologica 5y ago
    Keep in mind, the full value from Anki really comes from creating your own decks rather than using preconfigured ones.
    - trickjarrett 5y ago
      This was a huge eye opening moment for me. I thought it was about using a deck, and I always found it less than fantastic. Now that I am making my own deck, it is far more useful.
  - adrianN 5y ago
    There is this guy who turned the Tatoeba database into Anki decks: https://digitalwords.net/anki/tatoeba-audio/index.eng.html https://digitalwords.net/anki/tatoeba-audio/index.eng.html
- hobo_mark 5y ago
  That's exactly what I do. From videos I use losslesscut [1] to isolate the sentences I want to practice on and then turn those into anki flashcards with some custom tools I wrote. [1] https://github.com/mifi/lossless-cut https://github.com/mifi/lossless-cut

Asraelite 5y ago

The consensus within the Anki community seems to be that yes, the SuperMemo scheduling algorithm (SM-17) is a bit better than Anki's (SM-2 variant), but not by enough to matter, so you shouldn't worry about it. But when you look into tests people have done to see how much better it is exactly, it's around 30% more efficient. I still use Anki and am grateful for its existence, but this is a huge difference in efficiency. I wish there was a better open source scheduling algorithm available.

SamBam 5y ago
How come Anki cant update it itself? Is SM-17 just a different set of exponential-decay functions from SM-2? Is that even copyrightable? Also, if Anki is open-source, I'm surprised that there is no unofficial port that uses SM-17. But maybe I'm just ignorant of how much work that would involve.
- SirensOfTitan 5y ago
  Woz goes into detail about the SM-17 algorithm here: https://supermemo.guru/wiki/Algorithm_SM-17 https://supermemo.guru/wiki/Algorithm_SM-17 ... he's built these through decades of thinking of and tinkering and working on this singular problem. SM-2 is from 1987 for SM for DOS 1.0, and is fairly simplistic comparatively.
- Asraelite 5y ago
  SM-17 is much more complicated and also closed source. You would have to spend a while reverse-engineering it.
tmaly 5y ago
Is there a version of Anki that uses SuperMemo or is there another software that implements it?
andai 5y ago
I'm curious about those tests, do you have a link? I'm also curious if there's been any attempts at open-source versions of more recent supermemo algorithms.

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nzeribe 5y ago

Anki is just a slice of Piotr Wozniak's ideas, and the algorithm it uses isn't as good as that implemented in his own software, SuperMemo. And besides: it doesn't do incremental reading, which is lights-out amazing: https://super-memo.com/supermemo18.html https://super-memo.com/supermemo18.html

SamBam 5y ago
I'm interested in incremental-reading, but the video he has really doesn't sell it for me [1] It seems like you skim through an article, extract a few facts, and add them to your memorization schedule. Would it really help you summarize the article, or help you synthesize the arguments and follow the logic leading to a conclusion? 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoQoeK53bP8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoQoeK53bP8
- LittleFishyChan 5y ago
  Hello! I made a few videos that explain how incremental Reading works: 1 Topics: https://youtu.be/1ZNsn8IL-TM https://youtu.be/1ZNsn8IL-TM 2 Incremental Reading core analogy: https://youtu.be/Wme2RLm1jWY https://youtu.be/Wme2RLm1jWY 3 How Incremental Reading makes micro learning easy: https://youtu.be/piqq1kwYL5s https://youtu.be/piqq1kwYL5s Spoiler alert: basically incremental reading is like using save states when playing a game with an emulator. As one might save their game state before and after a challenging section in a game, when you find a difficult to understand/explain idea, incremental reading makes it easy to pause and synthesize that idea before moving on. Yes at the end also it’s good to summarize the ideas to yourself and simplify that explanation, and then use SuperMemo to memorize that explanation. Incremental reading is hard to explain why it is so useful, I’ve been using SuperMemo every day for 15 years and I still feel like I am learning new things