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> Before everything started changing in 2020 (Ford is pulling out of the car market in the US except for select models), what models were UK specific? The Puma

> Before everything started changing in 2020 (Ford is pulling out of the car market in the US except for select models), what models were UK specific? The Puma is Europe-specific and was launched in 2019. I don't understand the case you're making, as you say Ford is killing off in the US almost all the vehicles that make up their existing market share in Europe. The point I was trying to make is the company is fundamentally split because of the different nature of the markets. FCA had the same issue.

kbenson 5y ago
My point was that both the original statement by the GGGGP "we often get quite different Ford's to the ones sold in the US" and yours of "exclusively sold in Europe or later sold in America" were for the most part only really accurate pre-2011. That the names were different in the different markets isn't really relevant in my opinion, as while there were major differences in the past that accurately describe those statements, that situation wasn't really true for a decade (for the most part, this is somewhat less accurate given information I found after I wrote this part, see below), until very recently, and the recent situation doesn't really match them either (where they've stated their desire to sell almost not cars and focus on trucks entirely in the US). I just thought it was worth pointing out that the perception didn't seem to match reality on those points, and for an extended period of time, as they seemed to more closely describe the pre-2011 period. That said, I've looked into this more, and there was some split during that period, from what I can see, just not in the direction from Europe to the US, and not in any of the models people are bringing up like that. The Mustang wasn't offered in the UK as a right hand drive model until 2015, and I'm not sure the Taurus ever was. I still think people's perception of this is slightly doscordant with the reality for a large chunk of time that's being ignored, but I'll readily admit at this point that it wasn't quite as unified as I was presenting.

kbenson 5y ago

My point was that both the original statement by the GGGGP "we often get quite different Ford's to the ones sold in the US" and yours of "exclusively sold in Europe or later sold in America" were for the most part only really accurate pre-2011. That the names were different in the different markets isn't really relevant in my opinion, as while there were major differences in the past that accurately describe those statements, that situation wasn't really true for a decade (for the most part, this is somewhat less accurate given information I found after I wrote this part, see below), until very recently, and the recent situation doesn't really match them either (where they've stated their desire to sell almost not cars and focus on trucks entirely in the US). I just thought it was worth pointing out that the perception didn't seem to match reality on those points, and for an extended period of time, as they seemed to more closely describe the pre-2011 period. That said, I've looked into this more, and there was some split during that period, from what I can see, just not in the direction from Europe to the US, and not in any of the models people are bringing up like that. The Mustang wasn't offered in the UK as a right hand drive model until 2015, and I'm not sure the Taurus ever was. I still think people's perception of this is slightly doscordant with the reality for a large chunk of time that's being ignored, but I'll readily admit at this point that it wasn't quite as unified as I was presenting.