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Nvidia doesn't price any cards other than the founder's editions which you'll notice they both drastically cut down on availability for and also didn't do at al

Nvidia doesn't price any cards other than the founder's editions which you'll notice they both drastically cut down on availability for and also didn't do at all for the "price sensitive" mid-range tier. Nvidia's pricing as a result is completely fake. Like the claimed "$330 3060" in fact starts at $400 and rapidly goes up from there, with MSRP's on 3060's as high as $560.

paulmd 5y ago
I didn't say NVIDIA did directly price cards? Doesn't sound like you are doing a very good job of following the HN rule - always give the most gracious possible reading of a comment. Nothing I said directly implied that they did, you just wanted to pick a bone. It's really quite rude to put words in people's mouths, and that's why we have this rule. But a 6900XT is available for $3100 at my local store... and the 3090 is $2100. Between the two it's not hard to see why the NVIDIA cards are selling and the AMD cards are sitting on the shelves, the AMD cards are 50% more expensive for the same performance. As for why that is - which is the point I think you wanted to address, and decided to try and impute into my comment - who knows. Price are "sticky" (retailers don't want to mark down prices and take a loss) and AMD moves fewer cards in general. Maybe that means that prices are "stickier for longer" with AMD. Or maybe it's another thing like Vega where AMD set the MSRP so low that partners can't actually build and sell a card for a profit at competitive prices. But in general, regardless of why - the prices for AMD cards are generally higher, and when they go down the AMD cards sell out too. The inventory that is available is available because it's overpriced. (and for both brands, the pre-tariff MSRPs are essentially a fiction at this point apart from the reference cards and will probably never be met again.)
- RussianCow 5y ago
  > But a 6900XT is available for $3100 at my local store... and the 3090 is $2100. That's just your store being dumb, then. The 6900 XT is averaging about $1,500 brand new on eBay[0] while the 3090 is going for about $2,500[1]. Even on Newegg, the cheapest in-stock 6900 XT card is $1,700[2] while the cheapest 3090 is $3,000[3]. Everything I've read suggests that the AMD cards, while generally a little slower than their Nvidia counterparts (especially when you factor in ray-tracing), give you way more bang for your buck. > the prices for AMD cards are generally higher This is just not true. There may be several reasons for the Nvidia cards being out of stock more often than AMD: better performance; stronger brand; lower production counts; poor perception of AMD drivers; specific games being optimized for Nvidia; or pretty much anything else. But at this point, pricing is set by supply and demand, not by arbitrary MSRPs set by Nvidia/AMD, so claiming that AMD cards are priced too high is absolutely incorrect. [0]: https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=6900xt&_sacat=0&LH_ItemCondition=1000&rt=nc&LH_Sold=1&LH_Complete=1 https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=6900xt&_sacat... [1]: https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=3090&_sacat=0&LH_TitleDesc=0&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&rt=nc&LH_ItemCondition=1000 https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=3090&_sacat=0... [2]: https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100007709%20601359957&Order=1 https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100007709%20601359957&Order=1 [3]: https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100007709%20601357248&Order=1 https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100007709%20601357248&Order=1
  - kruxigt 5y ago
    > But at this point, pricing is set by supply and demand. If one is sold out and the other not that indicates that this is not completely the case.

paulmd 5y ago

I didn't say NVIDIA did directly price cards? Doesn't sound like you are doing a very good job of following the HN rule - always give the most gracious possible reading of a comment. Nothing I said directly implied that they did, you just wanted to pick a bone. It's really quite rude to put words in people's mouths, and that's why we have this rule. But a 6900XT is available for $3100 at my local store... and the 3090 is $2100. Between the two it's not hard to see why the NVIDIA cards are selling and the AMD cards are sitting on the shelves, the AMD cards are 50% more expensive for the same performance. As for why that is - which is the point I think you wanted to address, and decided to try and impute into my comment - who knows. Price are "sticky" (retailers don't want to mark down prices and take a loss) and AMD moves fewer cards in general. Maybe that means that prices are "stickier for longer" with AMD. Or maybe it's another thing like Vega where AMD set the MSRP so low that partners can't actually build and sell a card for a profit at competitive prices. But in general, regardless of why - the prices for AMD cards are generally higher, and when they go down the AMD cards sell out too. The inventory that is available is available because it's overpriced. (and for both brands, the pre-tariff MSRPs are essentially a fiction at this point apart from the reference cards and will probably never be met again.)

RussianCow 5y ago
> But a 6900XT is available for $3100 at my local store... and the 3090 is $2100. That's just your store being dumb, then. The 6900 XT is averaging about $1,500 brand new on eBay[0] while the 3090 is going for about $2,500[1]. Even on Newegg, the cheapest in-stock 6900 XT card is $1,700[2] while the cheapest 3090 is $3,000[3]. Everything I've read suggests that the AMD cards, while generally a little slower than their Nvidia counterparts (especially when you factor in ray-tracing), give you way more bang for your buck. > the prices for AMD cards are generally higher This is just not true. There may be several reasons for the Nvidia cards being out of stock more often than AMD: better performance; stronger brand; lower production counts; poor perception of AMD drivers; specific games being optimized for Nvidia; or pretty much anything else. But at this point, pricing is set by supply and demand, not by arbitrary MSRPs set by Nvidia/AMD, so claiming that AMD cards are priced too high is absolutely incorrect. [0]: https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=6900xt&_sacat=0&LH_ItemCondition=1000&rt=nc&LH_Sold=1&LH_Complete=1 https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=6900xt&_sacat... [1]: https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=3090&_sacat=0&LH_TitleDesc=0&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&rt=nc&LH_ItemCondition=1000 https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=3090&_sacat=0... [2]: https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100007709%20601359957&Order=1 https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100007709%20601359957&Order=1 [3]: https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100007709%20601357248&Order=1 https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100007709%20601357248&Order=1
- kruxigt 5y ago
  > But at this point, pricing is set by supply and demand. If one is sold out and the other not that indicates that this is not completely the case.