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What do you mean by a "wow" factor? Is it like "Wow, look at those panel gaps?"? The best and only redeeming quality Tesla vehicles have is the charging networ

What do you mean by a "wow" factor? Is it like "Wow, look at those panel gaps?"? The best and only redeeming quality Tesla vehicles have is the charging network. Quality-wise, they are overpriced.

ajross 5y ago
This is a meme. It's true that back around 2015 or so there were some genuine videos made of people finding big mistakes on their luxury-priced vehicles and laughing about it. But that was years ago. Go check now and see how many horror stories you can find about manufacturing errors on 3's or Y's. These are fine cars. I mean, I'm sure someone can find an error here or there, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with these cars. Tech neighborhoods are increasingly filled with them, just go to a Whole Foods parking lot and look at some. See how many gaps you can find.
- eptcyka 5y ago
  I'm pretty sure they still can't make a car that doesn't fall apart[1]. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Pg7JmKElUw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Pg7JmKElUw
  - ajross 5y ago
    Ugh. There are no panel gaps shown in the linked video, nor any manufacturing defects. The complaints are about damage and dirt in a loaner vehicle from a service center. This is what I meant. It's a meme. All you care about is that headline ("Tesla Can't Build Cars") and not the truth about anything.
    - eptcyka 5y ago
      It's not a loaner vehicle, it's the replacement for the one that was totaled. Here's another video of a 2021 model year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFfgpHkNCOM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFfgpHkNCOM
    - jazzyjackson 5y ago
      You’re wrong about the video, it’s fine not to watch it but don’t tell other people they’re not telling the truth. He was complaining about the service center installing the license plate but this was a new car off the showroom floor that was clearly falling apart, I wouldn’t have accepted delivery of this.
- itsoktocry 5y ago
  >Tech neighborhoods are increasingly filled with them Tech neighbourhoods with filled with Juiceros, too. Tesla's rank poorly in quality, not sure why you think it's a meme. Driving around California is quite a different experience than winters in Canada.
Hamuko 5y ago
I mean, the technology in Teslas is very solid. If I was looking at cars technology-wise, Tesla would be really high up there. The problem is that Tesla has basically the reverse wow factor. The Tesla Model 3 is so unattractive from the inside and outside that no matter how nice the tech is, I don't want to drop 50 000 € on a car that looks like a frog on the outside and unfinished on the inside.
ulfw 5y ago
and the design is very tired. Notice how I am not judging on good- or bad-looking. But the Tesla design has been basically the same for many years and frankly all models look so similar (with just different sizes and door configs etc etc)
- natch 5y ago
  If it’s just surface design you’re after, there are plenty of other options. Have at it. Personally I’m more interested in the powertrain efficiency and other consequential features.
- njarboe 5y ago
  I think that is on purpose. If you want society to have cars but use less resources than they currently do, then one should try and make them last as long as possible. Tesla has stated that it want to have cars last a million miles. The motors should do that already and they are working on the other components to do the same. We this in mind, one would want the 20 year old car to look very similar to the new one so that people don't feel the need to buy a new car just because the design is "very tired".
  - Hamuko 5y ago
    >Tesla has stated that it want to have cars last a million miles. They should really have a better attitude towards independent repair shops if they want to do that.
    - njarboe 5y ago
      No argument there.
  - rootusrootus 5y ago
    With all due respect, this sounds like yet another one of those "Let's spin this negative thing so it sounds good!" situations. Like the spartan interior. Better than just admitting it needed to have costs reduced in every conceivable way, it became 'elegant.' Same with the exterior design. Redesigning & retooling every few years is expensive. Much cheaper to tell people you're trying to save the world.
itsoktocry 5y ago
>What do you mean by a "wow" factor? I'm certainly no Tesla pumper, as you can tell from my comment history. But to say that getting in a Tesla isn't a different experience than other cars is just wrong. They've done a lot of things differently, for better or worse.

What do you mean by a "wow" factor? Is it like "Wow, look at those panel gaps?"? The best and only redeeming quality Tesla vehicles have is the charging network. Quality-wise, they are overpriced.

ajross 5y ago

This is a meme. It's true that back around 2015 or so there were some genuine videos made of people finding big mistakes on their luxury-priced vehicles and laughing about it. But that was years ago. Go check now and see how many horror stories you can find about manufacturing errors on 3's or Y's. These are fine cars. I mean, I'm sure someone can find an error here or there, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with these cars. Tech neighborhoods are increasingly filled with them, just go to a Whole Foods parking lot and look at some. See how many gaps you can find.

eptcyka 5y ago
I'm pretty sure they still can't make a car that doesn't fall apart[1]. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Pg7JmKElUw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Pg7JmKElUw
- ajross 5y ago
  Ugh. There are no panel gaps shown in the linked video, nor any manufacturing defects. The complaints are about damage and dirt in a loaner vehicle from a service center. This is what I meant. It's a meme. All you care about is that headline ("Tesla Can't Build Cars") and not the truth about anything.
  - eptcyka 5y ago
    It's not a loaner vehicle, it's the replacement for the one that was totaled. Here's another video of a 2021 model year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFfgpHkNCOM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFfgpHkNCOM
  - jazzyjackson 5y ago
    You’re wrong about the video, it’s fine not to watch it but don’t tell other people they’re not telling the truth. He was complaining about the service center installing the license plate but this was a new car off the showroom floor that was clearly falling apart, I wouldn’t have accepted delivery of this.
itsoktocry 5y ago
>Tech neighborhoods are increasingly filled with them Tech neighbourhoods with filled with Juiceros, too. Tesla's rank poorly in quality, not sure why you think it's a meme. Driving around California is quite a different experience than winters in Canada.

Hamuko 5y ago

I mean, the technology in Teslas is very solid. If I was looking at cars technology-wise, Tesla would be really high up there. The problem is that Tesla has basically the reverse wow factor. The Tesla Model 3 is so unattractive from the inside and outside that no matter how nice the tech is, I don't want to drop 50 000 € on a car that looks like a frog on the outside and unfinished on the inside.

ulfw 5y ago

and the design is very tired. Notice how I am not judging on good- or bad-looking. But the Tesla design has been basically the same for many years and frankly all models look so similar (with just different sizes and door configs etc etc)

natch 5y ago
If it’s just surface design you’re after, there are plenty of other options. Have at it. Personally I’m more interested in the powertrain efficiency and other consequential features.
njarboe 5y ago
I think that is on purpose. If you want society to have cars but use less resources than they currently do, then one should try and make them last as long as possible. Tesla has stated that it want to have cars last a million miles. The motors should do that already and they are working on the other components to do the same. We this in mind, one would want the 20 year old car to look very similar to the new one so that people don't feel the need to buy a new car just because the design is "very tired".
- Hamuko 5y ago
  >Tesla has stated that it want to have cars last a million miles. They should really have a better attitude towards independent repair shops if they want to do that.
  - njarboe 5y ago
    No argument there.
- rootusrootus 5y ago
  With all due respect, this sounds like yet another one of those "Let's spin this negative thing so it sounds good!" situations. Like the spartan interior. Better than just admitting it needed to have costs reduced in every conceivable way, it became 'elegant.' Same with the exterior design. Redesigning & retooling every few years is expensive. Much cheaper to tell people you're trying to save the world.

itsoktocry 5y ago

>What do you mean by a "wow" factor? I'm certainly no Tesla pumper, as you can tell from my comment history. But to say that getting in a Tesla isn't a different experience than other cars is just wrong. They've done a lot of things differently, for better or worse.