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Or they can just go down and people don't have to freak out. Stop recommending people join the CDN cartel

by tomc1985 5y ago

qnsi 5y ago
I guess people want their site to be available when it gets viral?
- tomc1985 5y ago
  By contracting with a private company known for shielding propagandists Totally in line with the OSS ethos.... not
  - mst 5y ago
    Being against censorship of even very stupid shit is absolutely in line with the old school hacker ethos. "The internet treats censorship as damage and routes around it" was absolutely a thing. [[shakes crutch at the kids on his lawn]]
    - tomc1985 5y ago
      I am generally against censorship but had to revise that stance after I realized we've given a global platform to manipulative idiots truly unworthy of global self-expression. If they want to espouse their crap they can stand on a real soapbox and shout at crowds, but nothing more
      - gameman144 5y ago
        Neat, and who decides whose "crap" is unworthy of freedom of speech? Like, my main objection with censorship isn't "I think that this particular idea is worthy of defending", it's that any mechanism that lets people censor bad opinions could also by used to censor good opinions, and that mechanism is way too powerful and prone to abuse for my comfort.
        tomc1985 5y ago
        Yeah yeah yeah. I know. And I stopped caring. The that deserve to be muzzled (or worse, but that's not appropriate here...) are the manipulators of all kinds and colors. If the message has any kind of CTA, particularly political, it should be suppressed. Left, right, commerical, political, it doesn't matter. Suppress them all.
        gameman144 5y ago
        Just so I am clear, is "CTA" here "call-to-action". And you're against anything with a call-to-action in it? Like, call me out if this is the wrong acronym, or if I'm misinterpreting, but wouldn't all these be banned then? > Get out and vote! > Get vaccinated! > Sign your kids up for school by August 15th! > Read to your kids! > File your taxes by April 15th! Like, is that actually your position? Not trying to rebut (yet), but that seems like a very very different standard than what exists today if so.
        tomc1985 5y ago
        Pretty much. People are being pulled in a thousand different directions by people with their calls-to-action. Mainly targeting advertisements and political messaging. More prosaic stuff like filing your taxes on time can be conveyed effectively without commanding people to do things. "Taxes are due by April 15th" would work fine, for example.
        fsflover 5y ago
        > People are being pulled in a thousand different directions by people with their calls-to-action. Is that a bad thing? > "Taxes are due by April 15th" would work fine, for example. "Climate action is due now"
        tomc1985 5y ago
        > "Climate action is due now" Couple that with some of the evidence as to why and you have a pretty good message to get out. So very many people don't like being told what to do, and all we do is yell at them with commands and imperatives. Personally it has given me a burning contempt for the kind of folks that promulgate this stuff. If someone wants to compel me into action then they need to convince me on its merits, and those merits alone.
    - krapp 5y ago
      >"The internet treats censorship as damage and routes around it" was absolutely a thing. It was actually never a thing. The internet has always been censored, everywhere, all the time. People just think it wasn't because sometimes it let them be edgy racist shitlords and they confused that with unfettered freedom of speech. Still do, unfortunately.
    - account42 5y ago
      Which CDN is against censorship? And don't say Cloudflare.
  - core-utility 5y ago
    I'm not sure what site you're referring to, and that proves my following point.... There are multiple CDN providers. Unless they're all doing this, OP doesn't have to go with the specific one you're calling out here and can still reap the benefits.
kemayo 5y ago
They didn't, though. They recommended a few things that this site would do to how it's set up within its server. (I mean, a CDN would also help, but...)
isuckatcoding 5y ago
CDN cartel? Why such a negative take on CDN? Genuinely curious (I know little about CDNs)
- leeoniya 5y ago
  cdns are in a unique position (besides google analytics, facebook pixel, webchat services, etc), to track you across the internet and different domains.
  - tomc1985 5y ago
    Further, they are proprietary, non-open, they insert their branding into your site, and pass the blame for errors to their customers when they fail. They abuse an oligopoly position and obfuscate the addressing details of sites under their protection

Or they can just go down and people don't have to freak out. Stop recommending people join the CDN cartel

qnsi 5y ago

I guess people want their site to be available when it gets viral?

tomc1985 5y ago
By contracting with a private company known for shielding propagandists Totally in line with the OSS ethos.... not
- mst 5y ago
  Being against censorship of even very stupid shit is absolutely in line with the old school hacker ethos. "The internet treats censorship as damage and routes around it" was absolutely a thing. [[shakes crutch at the kids on his lawn]]
  - tomc1985 5y ago
    I am generally against censorship but had to revise that stance after I realized we've given a global platform to manipulative idiots truly unworthy of global self-expression. If they want to espouse their crap they can stand on a real soapbox and shout at crowds, but nothing more
    - gameman144 5y ago
      Neat, and who decides whose "crap" is unworthy of freedom of speech? Like, my main objection with censorship isn't "I think that this particular idea is worthy of defending", it's that any mechanism that lets people censor bad opinions could also by used to censor good opinions, and that mechanism is way too powerful and prone to abuse for my comfort.
      - tomc1985 5y ago
        Yeah yeah yeah. I know. And I stopped caring. The that deserve to be muzzled (or worse, but that's not appropriate here...) are the manipulators of all kinds and colors. If the message has any kind of CTA, particularly political, it should be suppressed. Left, right, commerical, political, it doesn't matter. Suppress them all.
        gameman144 5y ago
        Just so I am clear, is "CTA" here "call-to-action". And you're against anything with a call-to-action in it? Like, call me out if this is the wrong acronym, or if I'm misinterpreting, but wouldn't all these be banned then? > Get out and vote! > Get vaccinated! > Sign your kids up for school by August 15th! > Read to your kids! > File your taxes by April 15th! Like, is that actually your position? Not trying to rebut (yet), but that seems like a very very different standard than what exists today if so.
        tomc1985 5y ago
        Pretty much. People are being pulled in a thousand different directions by people with their calls-to-action. Mainly targeting advertisements and political messaging. More prosaic stuff like filing your taxes on time can be conveyed effectively without commanding people to do things. "Taxes are due by April 15th" would work fine, for example.
        fsflover 5y ago
        > People are being pulled in a thousand different directions by people with their calls-to-action. Is that a bad thing? > "Taxes are due by April 15th" would work fine, for example. "Climate action is due now"
        tomc1985 5y ago
        > "Climate action is due now" Couple that with some of the evidence as to why and you have a pretty good message to get out. So very many people don't like being told what to do, and all we do is yell at them with commands and imperatives. Personally it has given me a burning contempt for the kind of folks that promulgate this stuff. If someone wants to compel me into action then they need to convince me on its merits, and those merits alone.
  - krapp 5y ago
    >"The internet treats censorship as damage and routes around it" was absolutely a thing. It was actually never a thing. The internet has always been censored, everywhere, all the time. People just think it wasn't because sometimes it let them be edgy racist shitlords and they confused that with unfettered freedom of speech. Still do, unfortunately.
  - account42 5y ago
    Which CDN is against censorship? And don't say Cloudflare.
- core-utility 5y ago
  I'm not sure what site you're referring to, and that proves my following point.... There are multiple CDN providers. Unless they're all doing this, OP doesn't have to go with the specific one you're calling out here and can still reap the benefits.

kemayo 5y ago

They didn't, though. They recommended a few things that this site would do to how it's set up within its server. (I mean, a CDN would also help, but...)

isuckatcoding 5y ago

CDN cartel? Why such a negative take on CDN? Genuinely curious (I know little about CDNs)

leeoniya 5y ago
cdns are in a unique position (besides google analytics, facebook pixel, webchat services, etc), to track you across the internet and different domains.
- tomc1985 5y ago
  Further, they are proprietary, non-open, they insert their branding into your site, and pass the blame for errors to their customers when they fail. They abuse an oligopoly position and obfuscate the addressing details of sites under their protection