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The number of fossil fuel driven Mustangs (except for classics) may be in the ~single digits (hyperbole) in Norway due to the taxes based on total weight of the

by nso 5y ago

The number of fossil fuel driven Mustangs (except for classics) may be in the ~single digits (hyperbole) in Norway due to the taxes based on total weight of the vehicle, and emissions of CO2 and NOx. It would be an indulgence for the very affluent. The Mach-E gives the common Norwegians access to the famed American Comfort Car (c/tm) without having to break the bank, as power prices are relatively low in Norway and gas prices are very high.

martinmunk 5y ago
I seems the Mach-E is the most sold model across the board, not just among Mustangs based on this article. Fun fact: I just got back from Norway, and saw a Mach-E a week ago. Seen as it was apparently just released there "weeks ago", it must have been one of the first in the country.
- nso 5y ago
  My step-dad in Norway got his the 3rd of June, so they are out there. I just checked the price of a MUSTANG 5.0 V8 GT, and the price is almost exactly double in Norway from what it is where I live in Mexico.
  - dharmab 5y ago
    The five-oh is targeted towards enthusiasts and racetracks. Most Americans buy the 2.3L straight-4 EcoBoost.
    - hef19898 5y ago
      Putting a four cylinder in a Mustang is sacrilege. High performance electric would be cool.
      - BoorishBears 5y ago
        The four cylinder and chassis make it a more competent sports car than most of the Mustangs that came before it, V8 or otherwise.
        hef19898 5y ago
        That for sure. I have a 40 year old V8, no muscle car, with an excessive 125 hp. Any modern 4 cylinder beats that in tes of torque, power and mpg. But some parts deserve certain engines.
        zip1234 5y ago
        The 2.3l Ecoboost now has about 350 hp. Modern cars have insane power.
      - dharmab 5y ago
        The EcoBoost sales are what keep the 5.0 alive. You'd never justify the (honestly really great) chassis engineering with V8 sales alone.
        hef19898 5y ago
        Sure, also V8s are basically obsolete tech by now. Even more so than ICEs in general. It just feels right to have one in certain cars. And yes, I know it doesn't make any sense. Electric, supplemented by bio fuels, is the way to go.
    - mywittyname 5y ago
      Not anymore. In 2018, the V8 surpassed the Ecoboost in marketshare, 52% to 48%. If fleet sales were removed, then the V8 market share would probably climb a bit further. The small engine Mustangs have always been derided as non-Mustangs. It shouldn't be surprising that, as coupes become less mainstream, the share of the smaller engine declines. The bulk of Mustang buyers anymore are old men. Plus, there's the issue that, speccing a ecoboost Mustang with some performance goodies puts it within spitting distance of a 5.0. The Ecoboost HPP is like $32k and the "performance" upgrades for systems like the brakes are essentially base GT take-offs. This makes the $37k GT a really good deal in comparison. Factoring in depreciation, the GT is a better deal. Fuel costs are marginal since you can run the GT on 87 with almost no power loss while the Eco is a dog without 93 octane. And, for me at least, the GT is cheaper to insure (by like $3) than an Eco. Add in low-interest, long-term loans and the monthly cost difference is minimal as well.
Milner08 5y ago
This is bizarre but, I at least, in the UK wouldn't consider 'Ford' an American brand as we often get quite different Ford's to the ones sold in the US (Even when the name is the same, they often look totally different like the Focus). I know that's wrong, but its just the way it is. (Although Mustang is the exception to that). I feel like when most people think of American Cars they think of big GM's, etc and at least in the UK they are not really are really famed for comfort, instead they were always famed for handling badly and having terrible MPG. Now don't get me wrong, I know the US has some great cars, but I think the markets are very different and the ones that have been available to us have been awful, expensive, or both. My point is, I don't think people are buying the Mach-E cause its an opportunity to try the 'famed American Comfort Car' but more because its a good option for an electric car, and that's what a lot of people in Europe want when buying brand new cars now.
- jorvi 5y ago
  When I think modern American cars I think either trucks like a Ford F-150 / Dodge Ram, or a gas-guzzling gigantic SUV like a GMC Yukon.
  - jorvi 5y ago
    Since I can't edit anymore: normally I prefer not to talk about downvotes, but wow, -3 for stating an opinion, what the hell. I guess Americans are extremely sensitive about how they are perceived..
- fhood 5y ago
  Oof, GM sucks and Ford isn't really even American. Talk about a one two punch. Not that I disagree with the main point, but jeez leave us with something wouldya?
  - dragontamer 5y ago
    As an American, I recognize that the Ford cars popular across the pond are a very, very different set of vehicles than the Ford trucks popular around here. The Ford Focus (including the RS version) is popular in Europe. However, as an owner of such a car, I only get raised eyebrows around here. In contrast, F150 / Trucks / etc. etc. are "real Ford Cars". No one trusts Ford Sedans over here for some reason, despite their popularity in Europe (which is why Ford stopped selling Sedans in the USA, and are instead opting for a $20k truck: the Maverick, over continuing their efficient line of sedans)
dexterdog 5y ago
But the Mach-E resembles what a mustang is in name only. I never understood why they called it that.
- gwbas1c 5y ago
  Because of the performance and handling. Have you driven a Tesla lately? My Model 3 dual motor drives and handles like a sports car, not like a modest family sedan that handles well in the snow. The Mustang badge communicates that the Mach E has serious performance characteristics. When I test drove the electric Focus, it also had quite zippy acceleration, but everyone just assumed it was a dog-slow compliance car.
  - dogma1138 5y ago
    Have you even driven a sports car? Tesla has a fast acceleration it doesn’t drive or handles anything like a sports car or even a high performance sedan/saloon. The closest thing to a “sporty” driving experience is probably the Taycan but whilst you can feel some Porsche in it, it doesn’t drive like a traditional Porsche either, it doesn’t even drive like the Panamera which is the closest ICE Porsche to the Taycan in terms of size and weight. Tesla has still quite a bit to go with suspension, handling, steering and other driving characteristics before it can deliver a sports car driving experience, yet alone a Porchse or an BMW M series/Alpina. The Mach-E also delivers nothing in terms of driving experience that is even remotely comparable to a Mustang, even given how wimpy many of the Mustang models have been lately.
Hamuko 5y ago
>The Mach-E gives the common Norwegians access to the famed American Comfort Car (c/tm) without having to break the bank People who are interested in owning a muscle car in Europe are a very select group of people and they're probably highly uninterested in the Mach-E.
gwbas1c 5y ago
> American Comfort Car The one time I sat in Mustang it definitely wasn't an "American Comfort Car." It was so snug I felt like I was wearing the car.
- nso 5y ago
  In 2014 i rented one for a month-long road trip. While it was lacking in cargo space, I found it to be a very comfortable ride.

by nso 5y ago

martinmunk 5y ago

I seems the Mach-E is the most sold model across the board, not just among Mustangs based on this article. Fun fact: I just got back from Norway, and saw a Mach-E a week ago. Seen as it was apparently just released there "weeks ago", it must have been one of the first in the country.

nso 5y ago
My step-dad in Norway got his the 3rd of June, so they are out there. I just checked the price of a MUSTANG 5.0 V8 GT, and the price is almost exactly double in Norway from what it is where I live in Mexico.
- dharmab 5y ago
  The five-oh is targeted towards enthusiasts and racetracks. Most Americans buy the 2.3L straight-4 EcoBoost.
  - hef19898 5y ago
    Putting a four cylinder in a Mustang is sacrilege. High performance electric would be cool.
    - BoorishBears 5y ago
      The four cylinder and chassis make it a more competent sports car than most of the Mustangs that came before it, V8 or otherwise.
      - hef19898 5y ago
        That for sure. I have a 40 year old V8, no muscle car, with an excessive 125 hp. Any modern 4 cylinder beats that in tes of torque, power and mpg. But some parts deserve certain engines.
        zip1234 5y ago
        The 2.3l Ecoboost now has about 350 hp. Modern cars have insane power.
    - dharmab 5y ago
      The EcoBoost sales are what keep the 5.0 alive. You'd never justify the (honestly really great) chassis engineering with V8 sales alone.
      - hef19898 5y ago
        Sure, also V8s are basically obsolete tech by now. Even more so than ICEs in general. It just feels right to have one in certain cars. And yes, I know it doesn't make any sense. Electric, supplemented by bio fuels, is the way to go.
  - mywittyname 5y ago
    Not anymore. In 2018, the V8 surpassed the Ecoboost in marketshare, 52% to 48%. If fleet sales were removed, then the V8 market share would probably climb a bit further. The small engine Mustangs have always been derided as non-Mustangs. It shouldn't be surprising that, as coupes become less mainstream, the share of the smaller engine declines. The bulk of Mustang buyers anymore are old men. Plus, there's the issue that, speccing a ecoboost Mustang with some performance goodies puts it within spitting distance of a 5.0. The Ecoboost HPP is like $32k and the "performance" upgrades for systems like the brakes are essentially base GT take-offs. This makes the $37k GT a really good deal in comparison. Factoring in depreciation, the GT is a better deal. Fuel costs are marginal since you can run the GT on 87 with almost no power loss while the Eco is a dog without 93 octane. And, for me at least, the GT is cheaper to insure (by like $3) than an Eco. Add in low-interest, long-term loans and the monthly cost difference is minimal as well.

Milner08 5y ago

This is bizarre but, I at least, in the UK wouldn't consider 'Ford' an American brand as we often get quite different Ford's to the ones sold in the US (Even when the name is the same, they often look totally different like the Focus). I know that's wrong, but its just the way it is. (Although Mustang is the exception to that). I feel like when most people think of American Cars they think of big GM's, etc and at least in the UK they are not really are really famed for comfort, instead they were always famed for handling badly and having terrible MPG. Now don't get me wrong, I know the US has some great cars, but I think the markets are very different and the ones that have been available to us have been awful, expensive, or both. My point is, I don't think people are buying the Mach-E cause its an opportunity to try the 'famed American Comfort Car' but more because its a good option for an electric car, and that's what a lot of people in Europe want when buying brand new cars now.

jorvi 5y ago
When I think modern American cars I think either trucks like a Ford F-150 / Dodge Ram, or a gas-guzzling gigantic SUV like a GMC Yukon.
- jorvi 5y ago
  Since I can't edit anymore: normally I prefer not to talk about downvotes, but wow, -3 for stating an opinion, what the hell. I guess Americans are extremely sensitive about how they are perceived..
fhood 5y ago
Oof, GM sucks and Ford isn't really even American. Talk about a one two punch. Not that I disagree with the main point, but jeez leave us with something wouldya?
- dragontamer 5y ago
  As an American, I recognize that the Ford cars popular across the pond are a very, very different set of vehicles than the Ford trucks popular around here. The Ford Focus (including the RS version) is popular in Europe. However, as an owner of such a car, I only get raised eyebrows around here. In contrast, F150 / Trucks / etc. etc. are "real Ford Cars". No one trusts Ford Sedans over here for some reason, despite their popularity in Europe (which is why Ford stopped selling Sedans in the USA, and are instead opting for a $20k truck: the Maverick, over continuing their efficient line of sedans)

dexterdog 5y ago

But the Mach-E resembles what a mustang is in name only. I never understood why they called it that.

gwbas1c 5y ago
Because of the performance and handling. Have you driven a Tesla lately? My Model 3 dual motor drives and handles like a sports car, not like a modest family sedan that handles well in the snow. The Mustang badge communicates that the Mach E has serious performance characteristics. When I test drove the electric Focus, it also had quite zippy acceleration, but everyone just assumed it was a dog-slow compliance car.
- dogma1138 5y ago
  Have you even driven a sports car? Tesla has a fast acceleration it doesn’t drive or handles anything like a sports car or even a high performance sedan/saloon. The closest thing to a “sporty” driving experience is probably the Taycan but whilst you can feel some Porsche in it, it doesn’t drive like a traditional Porsche either, it doesn’t even drive like the Panamera which is the closest ICE Porsche to the Taycan in terms of size and weight. Tesla has still quite a bit to go with suspension, handling, steering and other driving characteristics before it can deliver a sports car driving experience, yet alone a Porchse or an BMW M series/Alpina. The Mach-E also delivers nothing in terms of driving experience that is even remotely comparable to a Mustang, even given how wimpy many of the Mustang models have been lately.

Hamuko 5y ago

>The Mach-E gives the common Norwegians access to the famed American Comfort Car (c/tm) without having to break the bank People who are interested in owning a muscle car in Europe are a very select group of people and they're probably highly uninterested in the Mach-E.

gwbas1c 5y ago

> American Comfort Car The one time I sat in Mustang it definitely wasn't an "American Comfort Car." It was so snug I felt like I was wearing the car.

nso 5y ago
In 2014 i rented one for a month-long road trip. While it was lacking in cargo space, I found it to be a very comfortable ride.