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Germany is still occupied by Americans. We're still defending you from the same foreign adversary, Russia. If the US pulled out of Germany in 1965, what would

Germany is still occupied by Americans. We're still defending you from the same foreign adversary, Russia. If the US pulled out of Germany in 1965, what would have become of the place? IMO, it's clear. The communists would have been conscripted into war, West Germany would have surrendered rather than fight their countrymen. This is exactly what happened in Vietnam and it's what is happening in Afghanistan now.

rrss 5y ago
regardless of whether the US had a continuous military presence in west Germany, it is implausible to me that east Germany / the USSR could have taken over west germany without starting WWIII. West Germany was a NATO member state by 1955.
- linuxftw 5y ago
  There is no NATO without the US occupation of Europe. If the US pulls out of NATO, it will fold like the Afghan security force.
  - sofixa 5y ago
    That's just bullshit. France had nukes in 1965, and still does today. Baring a communist revolution in France, US troops in Europe made no practical difference. And they don't today.
    - linuxftw 5y ago
      I doubt France has enough military power to defeat Ukraine, let alone the whole Soviet Union.
      - sofixa 5y ago
        First, you're wrong, second it doesn't matter, the point of nuclear weapons is to serve as a deterrent.
mschuster91 5y ago
Germany is nowhere near "occupied". The Allied Forces haven't had any say in German politics since the "Treaty on the Final Settlement with Respect to Germany" (better known as 2+4 Vertrag) in 1990. Yes, we host a couple of US military bases (Soviets went out after GDR reunification, Brits and French have long left), but these have no occupation purposes and competences at all.