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Related nostalgia: websites that didn’t specify a bgcolor, so they got defaulted to gray. And the tables with the default embossed look.

LeoPanthera 5y ago
Grey on Netscape, IE's default background was white.
- CTOSian 5y ago
  also : text in black not the today's crap look.
  - scarygliders 5y ago
    I will never understand why people think grey text on a white background is a good idea.
    - iamjochem 5y ago
      the following explains the 'why': https://uxmovement.com/content/why-you-should-never-use-pure-black-for-text-or-backgrounds/ https://uxmovement.com/content/why-you-should-never-use-pure... no idea to what extent, if at all, it is true. I can imagine there being a grain of truth in there but that implementing this correctly is much more difficult and nuanced than it might seem at first glance - most "digital designers"[1] probably don't get the budget/freedom to properly tackle accessibility in their commercial projects, I can also imagine that the majority of digital designers are 'young' and have close to 20/20 vision making it that much harder for them to truly put themselves in the shoes (eyes?) of people with lesser than perfect vision[2]. as someone with only a laymans' understanding of all this stuff I'm probably guilty of talking out of my **; I welcome someone with real graphic design credentials putting me straight :D [1] "digital designer", a person working in/with visual design, who started employment, or was born, after the release of the first iPhone ;-) (alternatively someone working in the design industry who never had the privilege of buying a copy of "The Face" for the simple fact they we not born in 1985) [2] a category I begrudgingly have to admit to being part of more and more ;-/
      - lupire 5y ago
        Ugh, that #444 in the article is horrific to try to read.
      - Jenda_ 5y ago
        What about not setting color of text (especially when it's dark text on light backgroud - the "default") at all and leave it to the user? There is a setting in web browser exactly for this: https://user-media-prod-cdn.itsre-sumo.mozilla.net/uploads/images/2019-04-24-16-57-47-5d5088.png https://user-media-prod-cdn.itsre-sumo.mozilla.net/uploads/i...
    - Jenda_ 5y ago
      Related tragedy: font-weight: 300 used on webpages. In combination with low contrast (the most absurd thing I have seen was #999 on white) it's completely unreadable. I have actually written a bookmarklet to fix it: https://paste.debian.net/1207934/ https://paste.debian.net/1207934/ I also have (partially outdated) custom stylesheet that fixes that for websites I {used to,} visit often: https://jenda.hrach.eu/w/blackweb https://jenda.hrach.eu/w/blackweb

LeoPanthera 5y ago

Grey on Netscape, IE's default background was white.

CTOSian 5y ago
also : text in black not the today's crap look.
- scarygliders 5y ago
  I will never understand why people think grey text on a white background is a good idea.
  - iamjochem 5y ago
    the following explains the 'why': https://uxmovement.com/content/why-you-should-never-use-pure-black-for-text-or-backgrounds/ https://uxmovement.com/content/why-you-should-never-use-pure... no idea to what extent, if at all, it is true. I can imagine there being a grain of truth in there but that implementing this correctly is much more difficult and nuanced than it might seem at first glance - most "digital designers"[1] probably don't get the budget/freedom to properly tackle accessibility in their commercial projects, I can also imagine that the majority of digital designers are 'young' and have close to 20/20 vision making it that much harder for them to truly put themselves in the shoes (eyes?) of people with lesser than perfect vision[2]. as someone with only a laymans' understanding of all this stuff I'm probably guilty of talking out of my **; I welcome someone with real graphic design credentials putting me straight :D [1] "digital designer", a person working in/with visual design, who started employment, or was born, after the release of the first iPhone ;-) (alternatively someone working in the design industry who never had the privilege of buying a copy of "The Face" for the simple fact they we not born in 1985) [2] a category I begrudgingly have to admit to being part of more and more ;-/
    - lupire 5y ago
      Ugh, that #444 in the article is horrific to try to read.
    - Jenda_ 5y ago
      What about not setting color of text (especially when it's dark text on light backgroud - the "default") at all and leave it to the user? There is a setting in web browser exactly for this: https://user-media-prod-cdn.itsre-sumo.mozilla.net/uploads/images/2019-04-24-16-57-47-5d5088.png https://user-media-prod-cdn.itsre-sumo.mozilla.net/uploads/i...
  - Jenda_ 5y ago
    Related tragedy: font-weight: 300 used on webpages. In combination with low contrast (the most absurd thing I have seen was #999 on white) it's completely unreadable. I have actually written a bookmarklet to fix it: https://paste.debian.net/1207934/ https://paste.debian.net/1207934/ I also have (partially outdated) custom stylesheet that fixes that for websites I {used to,} visit often: https://jenda.hrach.eu/w/blackweb https://jenda.hrach.eu/w/blackweb