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I won't comment too much on the politics of this as it's almost certainly going to incite a flame war, but I'd like to acknowledge that regardless of whether yo

by least 5y ago

I won't comment too much on the politics of this as it's almost certainly going to incite a flame war, but I'd like to acknowledge that regardless of whether you think this was the right decision or not, we are now living with the consequences of that, which includes the grim reality that people that helped the United States are stranded in a hostile environment as a result of our policies. Some will survive/escape, many will die. The Hazara will be persecuted. Women will be delegated back to being second class citizens. Some of these women who've never known what that was like, where they've gone to university and held real jobs and weren't just objects for child bearing, will go back to being derided and having no rights. Afghan men perhaps didn't do enough to fight for this, but the women certainly can't be held accountable here, but they'll be the ones to suffer the most. I'm deeply saddened by what's happened and I can only hope that anyone that wants to get out can.

throwntoday 5y ago
>The Hazara will be persecuted. Women will be delegated back to being second class citizens. The Taliban has indicated that they have no intention of doing either of those things. In their address they explicitly stated they would protect minorities and womens rights to education. While I don't personally support their governance, the previous government of Afghanistan was nothing more than a vassle state of the US/western occuption riddled with corruption. It was a literal blackhole where governments would dump money with very little effort to be traced, and wage proxy wars. I am glad that government has collapsed. I pray for peace for my countrymen, and I do hope the Taliban stick to their word, and bring peace to the wartorn nation. Do not forget that our media is riddled with propaganda. Their efforts over the past decade to remove the puppet government and have peace talks with the occupying forces give me some hope that things have changed. At the end of the day the US and western nations never belonged in that country, and the Afghan peoples destiny is better left in their own hands. May God be with them.
- senectus1 5y ago
  Well someone is lying. there are plenty of reports of girls being forcibly taken from houses (to be married to fighters), plenty of footage of dead men in the streets (corroborators), pictures of Western iconography being removed, or painted over and plenty of footage of people trying their dammed to escape before the Taliban turns up. That last one is for me the biggest giveaway. People dont leave their homes behind easily.
  - benque 5y ago
    They have a spokesperson now. Say reasonable stuff, do whatever you want; Just like every government or corporate with PR.
- ngc248 5y ago
  >>> The Taliban has indicated that they have no intention of doing either of those things. In their address they explicitly stated they would protect minorities and womens rights to education. And they have always held up their word ... /s To take a well known example, they had said they would not destroy the Bamiyan Buddhas, but they went back on that also. So you cannot believe whatever they say.
tomjen3 5y ago
They are stranded because the Afghan Army was worse than a papertiger and so every plan made to evacuate people assumed weeks to do so in an orderly fashion, which turned out to be, what, a week?
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by least 5y ago

throwntoday 5y ago

>The Hazara will be persecuted. Women will be delegated back to being second class citizens. The Taliban has indicated that they have no intention of doing either of those things. In their address they explicitly stated they would protect minorities and womens rights to education. While I don't personally support their governance, the previous government of Afghanistan was nothing more than a vassle state of the US/western occuption riddled with corruption. It was a literal blackhole where governments would dump money with very little effort to be traced, and wage proxy wars. I am glad that government has collapsed. I pray for peace for my countrymen, and I do hope the Taliban stick to their word, and bring peace to the wartorn nation. Do not forget that our media is riddled with propaganda. Their efforts over the past decade to remove the puppet government and have peace talks with the occupying forces give me some hope that things have changed. At the end of the day the US and western nations never belonged in that country, and the Afghan peoples destiny is better left in their own hands. May God be with them.

senectus1 5y ago
Well someone is lying. there are plenty of reports of girls being forcibly taken from houses (to be married to fighters), plenty of footage of dead men in the streets (corroborators), pictures of Western iconography being removed, or painted over and plenty of footage of people trying their dammed to escape before the Taliban turns up. That last one is for me the biggest giveaway. People dont leave their homes behind easily.
- benque 5y ago
  They have a spokesperson now. Say reasonable stuff, do whatever you want; Just like every government or corporate with PR.
ngc248 5y ago
>>> The Taliban has indicated that they have no intention of doing either of those things. In their address they explicitly stated they would protect minorities and womens rights to education. And they have always held up their word ... /s To take a well known example, they had said they would not destroy the Bamiyan Buddhas, but they went back on that also. So you cannot believe whatever they say.

tomjen3 5y ago

They are stranded because the Afghan Army was worse than a papertiger and so every plan made to evacuate people assumed weeks to do so in an orderly fashion, which turned out to be, what, a week?

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