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Heh. "Conservative South." I completely understand how arbitrary stances on drugs can be, but for a region with strong ties to alcohol production, someone witho

Heh. "Conservative South." I completely understand how arbitrary stances on drugs can be, but for a region with strong ties to alcohol production, someone without cultural context would be pretty confused that alcohol is celebrated[1], while cannabis is stigmatized. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKZqGJONH68 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKZqGJONH68

sandworm101 5y ago
Dot not underestimate religion in the south. Change comes from the pulpit, not the soapbox. Little can change until the local preachers speak out. And Reagan republicanism, which is basically a civic religion in the south. Its preachers, the talk radio crowd, have to change first too.
adfm 5y ago
My 70 y/o mother-in-law kicked a 9 pill/day habit and drastically reduced her alcohol intake by taking a trip to the dispensary. And she did it by herself! She reminds me of the person I first met years ago. It’s an amazing transformation. Divest yourself of anything related to the ATF and pay attention to the changes at the DEA.
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kodah 5y ago
I don't think alcohol production correlates as much as you're alluding to. I lived in Texas and the state is highly unforgiving around alcohol. A first time drunk driving offense takes the better part of a decade to overcome. Bars and stores are constantly presented with tricks and arbitrary limits that make a job that averages $60k a year a legal minefield. We'd have massive grids around the city setup on holidays that were sobriety checkpoints. A lot of constituents in the south, from my experience, already use CBD, THC, or both. I'm not sure what actually holds the state back from legalizing it given that so many folks already support it.
- throwaway0a5e 5y ago
  Texas is weird. They definitely talk the talk with regard to freedom but when you take a closer look they're highly authoritarian.
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  - chmod600 5y ago
    Depends on the policy. The way I think about TX and CA is that they divide up the Bill or Rights and divy up the ones which they will actually respect.
- dghlsakjg 5y ago
  To be fair. Texas is Texas; not the south. At least that’s what my Texas History teacher told me in the state mandated class.
  - sandworm101 5y ago
    I'd bet he would be screaming mad about which side Texas is of the Mason-Dixen line. By my eye Texas is not part of the north.
    - hajile 5y ago
      It fought for the Confederacy, but in the first couple battles took such catastrophic losses that it was effectively out of the war. From what I remember, it was different from other Southern states in that a large minority of settlers weren’t southerners and held the relatively new religious Northern idea that slavery was evil. Southern Democrats were still the majority and the Democrats were holding the threat of succession and violence against Republicans to force concessions about slavery (eg, the Missouri Compromise).
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porknubbins 5y ago
Bourbon/whiskey tradition or not a lot of the South has this very moralistic relationship with alcohol where because of Baptist and similarly strict religious traditions casual alcohol use was forbidden or looked down on, so even today in a lot of less urban places you wouldn’t see adults having a beer or glass of wine with lunch. They kind of conceptualize drinking as an all or nothing thing where college students or alcoholics binge and respectable adults abstain. Of course its changing quickly but its always weird coming back here and being constantly hassled for id instead of having wine pushed on you by a server as you have in other places.
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newbamboo 5y ago
There are many dry counties in the south. In many places “beer drinker” is used a pejorative. The north and west, generally more urban places, consume most alcohol. https://www.statista.com/statistics/442848/per-capita-alcohol-consumption-of-all-beverages-in-the-us-by-state/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/442848/per-capita-alcoho... This is an important thing to understand. Pills prescribed by trusted medical professionals in these places were destined to be a kill shot because there were no “cultural antibodies” against them. Weed, alcohol and other potentially damaging habits are kept in check by religion. Opiates and bad diet are the big killers in the south because there are no religious restrictions to moderate. The notion that southerners are drunks is a myth, as are many negative stereotypes of the south.

sandworm101 5y ago

Dot not underestimate religion in the south. Change comes from the pulpit, not the soapbox. Little can change until the local preachers speak out. And Reagan republicanism, which is basically a civic religion in the south. Its preachers, the talk radio crowd, have to change first too.

adfm 5y ago

My 70 y/o mother-in-law kicked a 9 pill/day habit and drastically reduced her alcohol intake by taking a trip to the dispensary. And she did it by herself! She reminds me of the person I first met years ago. It’s an amazing transformation. Divest yourself of anything related to the ATF and pay attention to the changes at the DEA.

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kodah 5y ago

I don't think alcohol production correlates as much as you're alluding to. I lived in Texas and the state is highly unforgiving around alcohol. A first time drunk driving offense takes the better part of a decade to overcome. Bars and stores are constantly presented with tricks and arbitrary limits that make a job that averages $60k a year a legal minefield. We'd have massive grids around the city setup on holidays that were sobriety checkpoints. A lot of constituents in the south, from my experience, already use CBD, THC, or both. I'm not sure what actually holds the state back from legalizing it given that so many folks already support it.

throwaway0a5e 5y ago
Texas is weird. They definitely talk the talk with regard to freedom but when you take a closer look they're highly authoritarian.
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- chmod600 5y ago
  Depends on the policy. The way I think about TX and CA is that they divide up the Bill or Rights and divy up the ones which they will actually respect.
dghlsakjg 5y ago
To be fair. Texas is Texas; not the south. At least that’s what my Texas History teacher told me in the state mandated class.
- sandworm101 5y ago
  I'd bet he would be screaming mad about which side Texas is of the Mason-Dixen line. By my eye Texas is not part of the north.
  - hajile 5y ago
    It fought for the Confederacy, but in the first couple battles took such catastrophic losses that it was effectively out of the war. From what I remember, it was different from other Southern states in that a large minority of settlers weren’t southerners and held the relatively new religious Northern idea that slavery was evil. Southern Democrats were still the majority and the Democrats were holding the threat of succession and violence against Republicans to force concessions about slavery (eg, the Missouri Compromise).
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porknubbins 5y ago

Bourbon/whiskey tradition or not a lot of the South has this very moralistic relationship with alcohol where because of Baptist and similarly strict religious traditions casual alcohol use was forbidden or looked down on, so even today in a lot of less urban places you wouldn’t see adults having a beer or glass of wine with lunch. They kind of conceptualize drinking as an all or nothing thing where college students or alcoholics binge and respectable adults abstain. Of course its changing quickly but its always weird coming back here and being constantly hassled for id instead of having wine pushed on you by a server as you have in other places.

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newbamboo 5y ago

There are many dry counties in the south. In many places “beer drinker” is used a pejorative. The north and west, generally more urban places, consume most alcohol. https://www.statista.com/statistics/442848/per-capita-alcohol-consumption-of-all-beverages-in-the-us-by-state/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/442848/per-capita-alcoho... This is an important thing to understand. Pills prescribed by trusted medical professionals in these places were destined to be a kill shot because there were no “cultural antibodies” against them. Weed, alcohol and other potentially damaging habits are kept in check by religion. Opiates and bad diet are the big killers in the south because there are no religious restrictions to moderate. The notion that southerners are drunks is a myth, as are many negative stereotypes of the south.