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When I was in college, a local pizza place had an online contest for “free pizza” for a year and said you could enter as many times as you like. I wrote a quick

When I was in college, a local pizza place had an online contest for “free pizza” for a year and said you could enter as many times as you like. I wrote a quick python script to fill out the form with my info that would submit it every 30 second. I got a call from the pizza place a few days later asking me to stop. They said that I was 90% of the entries and that I wasn’t acting in good faith. They offered me $100 gift card and I was happy with that.

valec 5y ago
> local pizza place you are an asshole. why would you do that?
- joshjdr 5y ago
  Im guessing free pizza. The fact that they’re local shouldn’t matter in this case; they offered it, and apparently were going to give it to someone, so don’t blame the kid for trying!
  - lamontcg 5y ago
    Reminds me of the Keybase "Space Drop"
  - spoonjim 5y ago
    It definitely matters. Abusing some loophole to get 50 free pizzas from a family business is categorically worse than doing the same to Domino’s.
    - sellyme 5y ago
      So you've established that there's some kind of hierarchy here, where the value of 1 pizza to a certain entity depends on their place in the hierarchy. The higher up on the hierarchy you are, the less 1 pizza matters to you. Furthermore, you've stated that it's "categorically worse" to get a free pizza from a family business than from Domino's, because a net loss of 1 pizza matters less to Domino's than it does to a family business. I agree with this assessment. However, I would posit that a single university-aged individual is even lower on this hierarchy than a family business is, so unless Domino's had the same promotion going on and they chose to target a family business instead, the logic seems to defend their action. It's probably also worth pointing out that the original commenter only said "local pizza place", which isn't always used synonymously with "family business", and additionally that describing an explicit instruction ("you [can] enter as many times as you like") as a loophole is somewhat of a stretch.
    - matheusmoreira 5y ago
      He did everything according to their own rules. No bad faith at all. That they failed to foresee this is their own problem. Things are not as simple as they seem. When people assume they are, they get things like this. They should be happy their gift card offer was accepted and a peaceful outcome was reached. It could have been much worse. Also, someone was going to win that contest regardless of what he did so it's not like it matters to the pizza place's bottom line.
      - dendriti 5y ago
        'Bad faith' is a term literally intended for situations such as these. When you do something 'according to the rules' but clearly against the intent of the rules.
        matheusmoreira 5y ago
        Nope. It would have been bad faith if signups were restricted to one per person and his program generated alternate identities to sign up with. > Bad Faith. The fraudulent deception of another person; the intentional or malicious refusal to perform some duty or contractual obligation. He was not obligated not to apply as many times as he could. He was explicitly allowed to do so. He defrauded no one
    - fma 5y ago
      My wife owns an after school tutoring center. We sponsor the local elementary school - and one time they had a silent auction fundraiser. We were asked if we can donate anything. We said sure...we gave them three vouchers, worth ~$150 each of services. We were expecting 3 lucky families. At the end, the coordinator herself won (or supposedly won?) all 3 vouchers and showed up with her kid. For the next silent auction we ensured to put 1 voucher per family. The shock on her face when she showed up again, with 3 vouchers in hand and my wife told her to read the fine print. From the HN comments it looks like - we were silly for trying to promote something in good faith and we deserved to have been abused. Jokes on them because reality is small businesses stop doing fun things for the community and it becomes strictly business.
      - WalterBright 5y ago
        When I was younger I thought the McDonald's prank was cool. Being older, not so much.
      - mbg721 5y ago
        But there's a difference between "Teenager hustles the pizza place and they settle for a gift card" and "Fundraiser coordinator methodically wins every auction". Maybe that difference is how much "breaking the rules" is part of the real rules?
      - redis_mlc 5y ago
        In the Philippines, it's no surprise when comebody connected "wins." Local high-end malls have Christmas raffles where you get one ticket per medium-sized purchase (over $50.) One of the prizes was a condo. When a local senator won it, nobody was surprised. (When interviewed, she said, "I'm not giving it back.")
      - tgsovlerkhgsel 5y ago
        I hope that for the next silent auction, you contacted whoever was above that coordinator and explained why you won't be providing anything anymore.
    - jbluepolarbear 5y ago
      It wasn’t a loophole. And we had a good laugh about it after all was done. I wasn’t out to make money, I just really liked their pizza.
duxup 5y ago
Seems like a reasonable solution there. Nice to see it resolved to everyone's satisfaction.
griko 5y ago
I did a similar thing back in college at [insert fast food franchise name]. One branch I went had a poster that roughly says "enter our mobile app survey and get a free meal", so I connect to their public wifi, downloaded it, enter the survey, and got a text message that can be exchanged on the cashier for some decent fries and other stuff. Later I learned that the app limits one submission per device per day, so few days later I start bringing friends to submit on their phones and got ourselves a free lunch. We did this once or twice a week so the manager doesn't get suspicious. Then one time I accidentally got disconnected to the wifi after submitting, tried reopening the app and to my surprise, it allowed me to submit again. I guessed that they limit submission per IP address, so I tried reconnecting to the wifi and the app limits me like before. Me being curious, tried using a VPN and it didn't limit me both on wifi and mobile data, so that means I can do four submissions per day per device. Imagine how many meals I can get. Few months later, the poster was removed, then later I learned that it was also removed on every branch in the city. The app just shows a blank white screen. Today I tried downloading the app and it still shows nothing.
- tgsovlerkhgsel 5y ago
  > Imagine how many meals I can get. Over the medium term, not significantly more than the (stupid, but apparently intended) limit of 1/day, rate limited not by technical but by biological means.
dheera 5y ago
I did something at MIT where some place was offering free personal pizzas (delivered!), and it seems their logic was one pizza per /phone number/, that they would call upon arrival with the pizza, so I went around campus and set up several classroom phones (which nobody uses no receive calls anyway) to forward calls to my dorm room's analog phone line, which fortunately you could do just by dialing some codes on the phone.
saghm 5y ago
Totally unrelated, but assuming that 90% is meant here as an actual estimation and not just as a shorthand for "overwhelming majority", that comes out to one submission every five minutes, which is a lot more than I would expect a local promotion to get! Genuinely good job marking, pizza place

valec 5y ago

> local pizza place you are an asshole. why would you do that?

joshjdr 5y ago
Im guessing free pizza. The fact that they’re local shouldn’t matter in this case; they offered it, and apparently were going to give it to someone, so don’t blame the kid for trying!
- lamontcg 5y ago
  Reminds me of the Keybase "Space Drop"
- spoonjim 5y ago
  It definitely matters. Abusing some loophole to get 50 free pizzas from a family business is categorically worse than doing the same to Domino’s.
  - sellyme 5y ago
    So you've established that there's some kind of hierarchy here, where the value of 1 pizza to a certain entity depends on their place in the hierarchy. The higher up on the hierarchy you are, the less 1 pizza matters to you. Furthermore, you've stated that it's "categorically worse" to get a free pizza from a family business than from Domino's, because a net loss of 1 pizza matters less to Domino's than it does to a family business. I agree with this assessment. However, I would posit that a single university-aged individual is even lower on this hierarchy than a family business is, so unless Domino's had the same promotion going on and they chose to target a family business instead, the logic seems to defend their action. It's probably also worth pointing out that the original commenter only said "local pizza place", which isn't always used synonymously with "family business", and additionally that describing an explicit instruction ("you [can] enter as many times as you like") as a loophole is somewhat of a stretch.
  - matheusmoreira 5y ago
    He did everything according to their own rules. No bad faith at all. That they failed to foresee this is their own problem. Things are not as simple as they seem. When people assume they are, they get things like this. They should be happy their gift card offer was accepted and a peaceful outcome was reached. It could have been much worse. Also, someone was going to win that contest regardless of what he did so it's not like it matters to the pizza place's bottom line.
    - dendriti 5y ago
      'Bad faith' is a term literally intended for situations such as these. When you do something 'according to the rules' but clearly against the intent of the rules.
      - matheusmoreira 5y ago
        Nope. It would have been bad faith if signups were restricted to one per person and his program generated alternate identities to sign up with. > Bad Faith. The fraudulent deception of another person; the intentional or malicious refusal to perform some duty or contractual obligation. He was not obligated not to apply as many times as he could. He was explicitly allowed to do so. He defrauded no one
  - fma 5y ago
    My wife owns an after school tutoring center. We sponsor the local elementary school - and one time they had a silent auction fundraiser. We were asked if we can donate anything. We said sure...we gave them three vouchers, worth ~$150 each of services. We were expecting 3 lucky families. At the end, the coordinator herself won (or supposedly won?) all 3 vouchers and showed up with her kid. For the next silent auction we ensured to put 1 voucher per family. The shock on her face when she showed up again, with 3 vouchers in hand and my wife told her to read the fine print. From the HN comments it looks like - we were silly for trying to promote something in good faith and we deserved to have been abused. Jokes on them because reality is small businesses stop doing fun things for the community and it becomes strictly business.
    - WalterBright 5y ago
      When I was younger I thought the McDonald's prank was cool. Being older, not so much.
    - mbg721 5y ago
      But there's a difference between "Teenager hustles the pizza place and they settle for a gift card" and "Fundraiser coordinator methodically wins every auction". Maybe that difference is how much "breaking the rules" is part of the real rules?
    - redis_mlc 5y ago
      In the Philippines, it's no surprise when comebody connected "wins." Local high-end malls have Christmas raffles where you get one ticket per medium-sized purchase (over $50.) One of the prizes was a condo. When a local senator won it, nobody was surprised. (When interviewed, she said, "I'm not giving it back.")
    - tgsovlerkhgsel 5y ago
      I hope that for the next silent auction, you contacted whoever was above that coordinator and explained why you won't be providing anything anymore.
  - jbluepolarbear 5y ago
    It wasn’t a loophole. And we had a good laugh about it after all was done. I wasn’t out to make money, I just really liked their pizza.

duxup 5y ago

Seems like a reasonable solution there. Nice to see it resolved to everyone's satisfaction.

griko 5y ago

I did a similar thing back in college at [insert fast food franchise name]. One branch I went had a poster that roughly says "enter our mobile app survey and get a free meal", so I connect to their public wifi, downloaded it, enter the survey, and got a text message that can be exchanged on the cashier for some decent fries and other stuff. Later I learned that the app limits one submission per device per day, so few days later I start bringing friends to submit on their phones and got ourselves a free lunch. We did this once or twice a week so the manager doesn't get suspicious. Then one time I accidentally got disconnected to the wifi after submitting, tried reopening the app and to my surprise, it allowed me to submit again. I guessed that they limit submission per IP address, so I tried reconnecting to the wifi and the app limits me like before. Me being curious, tried using a VPN and it didn't limit me both on wifi and mobile data, so that means I can do four submissions per day per device. Imagine how many meals I can get. Few months later, the poster was removed, then later I learned that it was also removed on every branch in the city. The app just shows a blank white screen. Today I tried downloading the app and it still shows nothing.

tgsovlerkhgsel 5y ago
> Imagine how many meals I can get. Over the medium term, not significantly more than the (stupid, but apparently intended) limit of 1/day, rate limited not by technical but by biological means.

dheera 5y ago

I did something at MIT where some place was offering free personal pizzas (delivered!), and it seems their logic was one pizza per /phone number/, that they would call upon arrival with the pizza, so I went around campus and set up several classroom phones (which nobody uses no receive calls anyway) to forward calls to my dorm room's analog phone line, which fortunately you could do just by dialing some codes on the phone.

saghm 5y ago

Totally unrelated, but assuming that 90% is meant here as an actual estimation and not just as a shorthand for "overwhelming majority", that comes out to one submission every five minutes, which is a lot more than I would expect a local promotion to get! Genuinely good job marking, pizza place