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That seems like an unfair reason to downvote the post. One could dislike gatcha as a business model but the post is about China's capacity to design a game irre

That seems like an unfair reason to downvote the post. One could dislike gatcha as a business model but the post is about China's capacity to design a game irrespective of the business model. The quality of the artwork, music, etc stands on its own regardless of whether one personally dislikes the business model.

wpietri 5y ago
How can one have a great game that is harmful to the players? To me that sounds like: "This food is truly excellent so let's honor the chef. Whether it's full of rat poop and heavy metals is a totally separate issue."
- FooBarWidget 5y ago
  And how exactly is it "harmful"? Your comparison isn't even right. This is free food that comes without ustensils and without a table. You have to pay for a table and ustensils, but the food is edible without them, and the ingredients and the way they're prepared stand on their own. Especially if you consider that not long ago, this part of the world couldn't prepare such a meal at all, even if they provided all the tables and ustensils in the world. I've been playing this game for almost a year now and I just don't see the parts where they "harm" you if you don't pay. If you can point out concrete examples of this "rat poop and heavy metals" that you get unless you pay, please do let me know.
  - wpietri 5y ago
    Gambling addiction is a serious problem that destroys lives. We should not be exposing kids to things with strong addiction potential. If you'd like a concrete example, here's a guy who realized he had a problem after dropping $15k and decided he needed professional help to quit: https://www.reddit.com/r/gachagaming/comments/b2fopn/i_spent_15000_usd_on_gacha_games_i_got/ https://www.reddit.com/r/gachagaming/comments/b2fopn/i_spent... After someone close to him died, he went back to it: https://www.reddit.com/r/gachagaming/comments/p3qxfr/gacha_pulled_me_back_in_after_2_years_15000_wasted/ https://www.reddit.com/r/gachagaming/comments/p3qxfr/gacha_p... If you'd like more, there's plenty out there about the harms of gambling addiction. One can argue that adults should be able to ruin their lives as they please, but I think there's no excuse for letting adults exploit children in ways that can create lifelong harm.
    - FooBarWidget 5y ago
      The point about gaming addiction in kids is fair. But it's also off-topic. The discussion isn't about whether gatcha should be allowed. It's about the gatcha supposedly ruining the game's quality or enjoyment thereof, which is a completely different topic. Also, not only kids play games.
      - wpietri 5y ago
        It's not off topic. The topic is Genshin Impact. You can't just say, "The topic is the parts I like and not the parts I don't like, so stop talking about them." That's not how a conversation works.

wpietri 5y ago

How can one have a great game that is harmful to the players? To me that sounds like: "This food is truly excellent so let's honor the chef. Whether it's full of rat poop and heavy metals is a totally separate issue."

FooBarWidget 5y ago
And how exactly is it "harmful"? Your comparison isn't even right. This is free food that comes without ustensils and without a table. You have to pay for a table and ustensils, but the food is edible without them, and the ingredients and the way they're prepared stand on their own. Especially if you consider that not long ago, this part of the world couldn't prepare such a meal at all, even if they provided all the tables and ustensils in the world. I've been playing this game for almost a year now and I just don't see the parts where they "harm" you if you don't pay. If you can point out concrete examples of this "rat poop and heavy metals" that you get unless you pay, please do let me know.
- wpietri 5y ago
  Gambling addiction is a serious problem that destroys lives. We should not be exposing kids to things with strong addiction potential. If you'd like a concrete example, here's a guy who realized he had a problem after dropping $15k and decided he needed professional help to quit: https://www.reddit.com/r/gachagaming/comments/b2fopn/i_spent_15000_usd_on_gacha_games_i_got/ https://www.reddit.com/r/gachagaming/comments/b2fopn/i_spent... After someone close to him died, he went back to it: https://www.reddit.com/r/gachagaming/comments/p3qxfr/gacha_pulled_me_back_in_after_2_years_15000_wasted/ https://www.reddit.com/r/gachagaming/comments/p3qxfr/gacha_p... If you'd like more, there's plenty out there about the harms of gambling addiction. One can argue that adults should be able to ruin their lives as they please, but I think there's no excuse for letting adults exploit children in ways that can create lifelong harm.
  - FooBarWidget 5y ago
    The point about gaming addiction in kids is fair. But it's also off-topic. The discussion isn't about whether gatcha should be allowed. It's about the gatcha supposedly ruining the game's quality or enjoyment thereof, which is a completely different topic. Also, not only kids play games.
    - wpietri 5y ago
      It's not off topic. The topic is Genshin Impact. You can't just say, "The topic is the parts I like and not the parts I don't like, so stop talking about them." That's not how a conversation works.