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What exactly is so controversial or disagreeable about the parent's comment as to warrant so many downvotes?

kibwen 5y ago
I didn't downvote it, but the comment exemplifies the problem in both how right and wrong it is. Genshin Impact has the potential to be a great game, but it's utterly ruined by the gacha garbage that infests it. It's extremely disappointing, and makes you depressed at wondering what an excellent game it could be if it didn't have such a predatory and self-defeating business model.
- FooBarWidget 5y ago
  That seems like an unfair reason to downvote the post. One could dislike gatcha as a business model but the post is about China's capacity to design a game irrespective of the business model. The quality of the artwork, music, etc stands on its own regardless of whether one personally dislikes the business model.
  - wpietri 5y ago
    How can one have a great game that is harmful to the players? To me that sounds like: "This food is truly excellent so let's honor the chef. Whether it's full of rat poop and heavy metals is a totally separate issue."
    - FooBarWidget 5y ago
      And how exactly is it "harmful"? Your comparison isn't even right. This is free food that comes without ustensils and without a table. You have to pay for a table and ustensils, but the food is edible without them, and the ingredients and the way they're prepared stand on their own. Especially if you consider that not long ago, this part of the world couldn't prepare such a meal at all, even if they provided all the tables and ustensils in the world. I've been playing this game for almost a year now and I just don't see the parts where they "harm" you if you don't pay. If you can point out concrete examples of this "rat poop and heavy metals" that you get unless you pay, please do let me know.
      - wpietri 5y ago
        Gambling addiction is a serious problem that destroys lives. We should not be exposing kids to things with strong addiction potential. If you'd like a concrete example, here's a guy who realized he had a problem after dropping $15k and decided he needed professional help to quit: https://www.reddit.com/r/gachagaming/comments/b2fopn/i_spent_15000_usd_on_gacha_games_i_got/ https://www.reddit.com/r/gachagaming/comments/b2fopn/i_spent... After someone close to him died, he went back to it: https://www.reddit.com/r/gachagaming/comments/p3qxfr/gacha_pulled_me_back_in_after_2_years_15000_wasted/ https://www.reddit.com/r/gachagaming/comments/p3qxfr/gacha_p... If you'd like more, there's plenty out there about the harms of gambling addiction. One can argue that adults should be able to ruin their lives as they please, but I think there's no excuse for letting adults exploit children in ways that can create lifelong harm.
        FooBarWidget 5y ago
        The point about gaming addiction in kids is fair. But it's also off-topic. The discussion isn't about whether gatcha should be allowed. It's about the gatcha supposedly ruining the game's quality or enjoyment thereof, which is a completely different topic. Also, not only kids play games.
        wpietri 5y ago
        It's not off topic. The topic is Genshin Impact. You can't just say, "The topic is the parts I like and not the parts I don't like, so stop talking about them." That's not how a conversation works.
- f00zz 5y ago
  Right, but despite that I think it's still possible to acknowledge the high level of production value that went into it. Never played it but it does look pretty. Edit: also, nice music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1O7LpOTBfM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1O7LpOTBfM
- bserge 5y ago
  It's interesting because I just don't see it. The game's monetization is just a new character every month or something like that. I'm impulsive as hell, but I never had the urge to spend money in Genshin. And I spent almost immediately on Dragon Raja, yeah that game got me good. Fortunately the devs ruined it.
- pjc50 5y ago
  Not just a Chinese problem, it's increasingly present in Western games from Team Fortress to FIFA.
kemayo 5y ago
I didn't downvote, but maybe the "many consider" weasel-words? It's one of those ways to make a fuzzy and unprovable claim that you're advancing but not quite saying you think it. (Plus, I've not seen that claim actually made, though I've not gone hunting for it.) It'd be sort of weird to compare those games at that level, anyway, since although there's some superficial systems similarities (Genshin thoroughly copied BotW's open world traversal mechanics), they play incredibly differently. It's like saying "tennis is a better game than chess", or in video games "Doom is a better game than Tetris" -- the genre difference is so great that I don't know if you can meaningfully compare them.

I didn't downvote it, but the comment exemplifies the problem in both how right and wrong it is. Genshin Impact has the potential to be a great game, but it's utterly ruined by the gacha garbage that infests it. It's extremely disappointing, and makes you depressed at wondering what an excellent game it could be if it didn't have such a predatory and self-defeating business model.

FooBarWidget 5y ago
That seems like an unfair reason to downvote the post. One could dislike gatcha as a business model but the post is about China's capacity to design a game irrespective of the business model. The quality of the artwork, music, etc stands on its own regardless of whether one personally dislikes the business model.
- wpietri 5y ago
  How can one have a great game that is harmful to the players? To me that sounds like: "This food is truly excellent so let's honor the chef. Whether it's full of rat poop and heavy metals is a totally separate issue."
  - FooBarWidget 5y ago
    And how exactly is it "harmful"? Your comparison isn't even right. This is free food that comes without ustensils and without a table. You have to pay for a table and ustensils, but the food is edible without them, and the ingredients and the way they're prepared stand on their own. Especially if you consider that not long ago, this part of the world couldn't prepare such a meal at all, even if they provided all the tables and ustensils in the world. I've been playing this game for almost a year now and I just don't see the parts where they "harm" you if you don't pay. If you can point out concrete examples of this "rat poop and heavy metals" that you get unless you pay, please do let me know.
    - wpietri 5y ago
      Gambling addiction is a serious problem that destroys lives. We should not be exposing kids to things with strong addiction potential. If you'd like a concrete example, here's a guy who realized he had a problem after dropping $15k and decided he needed professional help to quit: https://www.reddit.com/r/gachagaming/comments/b2fopn/i_spent_15000_usd_on_gacha_games_i_got/ https://www.reddit.com/r/gachagaming/comments/b2fopn/i_spent... After someone close to him died, he went back to it: https://www.reddit.com/r/gachagaming/comments/p3qxfr/gacha_pulled_me_back_in_after_2_years_15000_wasted/ https://www.reddit.com/r/gachagaming/comments/p3qxfr/gacha_p... If you'd like more, there's plenty out there about the harms of gambling addiction. One can argue that adults should be able to ruin their lives as they please, but I think there's no excuse for letting adults exploit children in ways that can create lifelong harm.
      - FooBarWidget 5y ago
        The point about gaming addiction in kids is fair. But it's also off-topic. The discussion isn't about whether gatcha should be allowed. It's about the gatcha supposedly ruining the game's quality or enjoyment thereof, which is a completely different topic. Also, not only kids play games.
        wpietri 5y ago
        It's not off topic. The topic is Genshin Impact. You can't just say, "The topic is the parts I like and not the parts I don't like, so stop talking about them." That's not how a conversation works.
f00zz 5y ago
Right, but despite that I think it's still possible to acknowledge the high level of production value that went into it. Never played it but it does look pretty. Edit: also, nice music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1O7LpOTBfM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1O7LpOTBfM
bserge 5y ago
It's interesting because I just don't see it. The game's monetization is just a new character every month or something like that. I'm impulsive as hell, but I never had the urge to spend money in Genshin. And I spent almost immediately on Dragon Raja, yeah that game got me good. Fortunately the devs ruined it.
pjc50 5y ago
Not just a Chinese problem, it's increasingly present in Western games from Team Fortress to FIFA.

kemayo 5y ago

I didn't downvote, but maybe the "many consider" weasel-words? It's one of those ways to make a fuzzy and unprovable claim that you're advancing but not quite saying you think it. (Plus, I've not seen that claim actually made, though I've not gone hunting for it.) It'd be sort of weird to compare those games at that level, anyway, since although there's some superficial systems similarities (Genshin thoroughly copied BotW's open world traversal mechanics), they play incredibly differently. It's like saying "tennis is a better game than chess", or in video games "Doom is a better game than Tetris" -- the genre difference is so great that I don't know if you can meaningfully compare them.