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This case was mentioned multiple times on the This Week In Virology podcast as strong evidence that the lab leak hypothesis is nonsense. No pandemic was starte

This case was mentioned multiple times on the This Week In Virology podcast as strong evidence that the lab leak hypothesis is nonsense. No pandemic was started despite the virus leaking from the lab. And no pandemic was started after all the other hundreds of lab accidents that we know off, including after the multiple leaks of the original SARS virus from China and Singapore labs. All the pandemics that we know off started naturally.

bitexploder 5y ago
Sample size way too small. The lab leak theory of SARS-Cov-2 is very compelling given what we know. It may not have been exactly a lab leak, either. The researchers may have gotten it “naturally” during the course of their research in the field, etc. we will never know for sure.
morpheos137 5y ago
If smallpox was as contagious as Covid is then a lab leak could have started a pandemic. Often times these polemical arguments against lableak origin for covid ignore important details like that.
- amluto 5y ago
  Smallpox seems to be about as contagious as Covid as measured by R0.
topynate 5y ago
Doesn't strike me as particularly strong evidence. The victim's mother probably stopped a smallpox outbreak by identifying the symptoms as not-chickenpox. Unfortunately COVID-19 symptoms are not as distinctive. Rather than saying "all the pandemics that we know of started naturally", it would be more accurate to say that all pandemics started naturally, that we know of. Particularly in the case of the 1977 Russian flu, there are suspicions of an anthropogenic origin. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1977_Russian_flu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1977_Russian_flu
pstrateman 5y ago
That's a pathetic argument. Most of the world was immunized against smallpox, of course it didnt spread like wild fire. The two situations couldn't be more different. covid-19 came out of the lab in wuhan china, dont fool yourself.
- bawolff 5y ago
  Wat? We stopped routinely immunizing against small pox a long time ago.
  - mardifoufs 5y ago
    The leak mentioned in the article happened in 1978. At a time when I'm pretty sure most people were still inoculated against smallpox.
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  - pstrateman 5y ago
    In 1978 when this happened most of the world was immunized. That's how smallpox was eradicated in the first place.
lisper 5y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faulty_generalization https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faulty_generalization

bitexploder 5y ago

Sample size way too small. The lab leak theory of SARS-Cov-2 is very compelling given what we know. It may not have been exactly a lab leak, either. The researchers may have gotten it “naturally” during the course of their research in the field, etc. we will never know for sure.

morpheos137 5y ago

If smallpox was as contagious as Covid is then a lab leak could have started a pandemic. Often times these polemical arguments against lableak origin for covid ignore important details like that.

amluto 5y ago
Smallpox seems to be about as contagious as Covid as measured by R0.

topynate 5y ago

Doesn't strike me as particularly strong evidence. The victim's mother probably stopped a smallpox outbreak by identifying the symptoms as not-chickenpox. Unfortunately COVID-19 symptoms are not as distinctive. Rather than saying "all the pandemics that we know of started naturally", it would be more accurate to say that all pandemics started naturally, that we know of. Particularly in the case of the 1977 Russian flu, there are suspicions of an anthropogenic origin. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1977_Russian_flu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1977_Russian_flu

pstrateman 5y ago

That's a pathetic argument. Most of the world was immunized against smallpox, of course it didnt spread like wild fire. The two situations couldn't be more different. covid-19 came out of the lab in wuhan china, dont fool yourself.

bawolff 5y ago
Wat? We stopped routinely immunizing against small pox a long time ago.
- mardifoufs 5y ago
  The leak mentioned in the article happened in 1978. At a time when I'm pretty sure most people were still inoculated against smallpox.
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- pstrateman 5y ago
  In 1978 when this happened most of the world was immunized. That's how smallpox was eradicated in the first place.

lisper 5y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faulty_generalization https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faulty_generalization