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It does puzzle me that most reactions to these problems are not "let's solve them", it is "I want people to die".

by stormageddon 5y ago

jacquesm 5y ago
Let's have your proposed solutions then given our present day limitations. I'm all ears.
- bleachedsleet 5y ago
  “Horse shit piling up in the roads is just our way of life. What would you have us do? Stop riding horses? How would we ever get anywhere? If you’re so smart, let’s have your proposed solutions given our present day limitations. I’m all ears.” ~ Someone a century or two before 1914 probably. Sarcasm and condescension do nothing to drive the conversation forward and really just mask your own ignorance to solving the problem as well. If a solution already existed to the degree that it was common knowledge in public forums then I guess there wouldn’t be a problem would there? The fact that massive divisions of companies like Alphabet (Calico) are dedicated to solving these problems seems to indicate that not all of us are deathists satisfied to recuse ourselves to mortality on the basis of some flimsy naturalistic fallacy. Edit: Typo, changed our to are
  - jacquesm 5y ago
    > Someone a century or two before 1914 probably. Given the degree to which industrialization has gotten us in trouble they may well have had a point. Good luck re-designing all your cities for non-motorized transport once that luxury becomes unaffordable. Billionaires trying to extend their life-spans is as old as the Pharaos, 'deathists' is a great way to spell 'realist'. You too will die, get used to it and make your peace with it lest you die frustrated and old. Oh, and don't forget to give your fortune to de Grey, after all, if he can't nobody can, better to have him succeed and then allow you access to life eternal. In fact, everybody should give all their money to de Grey, that will all but guarantee success. This is how you spell immortality: cancer. The one thing that keeps us in check right now is death. Without that safeguard there would be very little standing between us and eventual total collapse. Right now we still have a chance.
- stormageddon 5y ago
  I didn't say I had solutions to propose. Lots of other people have though, I can do some googling for you if you like. What problems trouble you most?
MattPalmer1086 5y ago
I have also noticed this. Obviously life extension would create a bunch of problems (wealth accumulation, overpopulation) as well as solving others (short term thinking, cost of medical treatment in old age). But the vast majority of people in my experience instantly reject it citing some possible problem that might arise, and no further discussion can usually be had with them. I've come to believe that the subject of mortality just triggers a huge irrational reaction in most people. They don't want to think about it at all.
- jacquesm 5y ago
  It's very funny to call those that don't believe life extension should or will happen irrational. I think you have your parties mixed up. Thinking about something does not automatically make you rational, nor does thinking that something should happen. I don't think it is realistic, if for whatever reason it does happen I think we are not ready for it. That's all there is to it.
  - MattPalmer1086 5y ago
    You misunderstand the point I am making. I am not calling all those who don't believe in life extension irrational. I am saying that in my experience, most people do not want to discuss it at all. They will bring up some obvious possible problem that might be caused by it, and then refuse any further discussion. I think (but don't know) that this is an irrational reaction to the topic of mortality.

It does puzzle me that most reactions to these problems are not "let's solve them", it is "I want people to die".

jacquesm 5y ago

Let's have your proposed solutions then given our present day limitations. I'm all ears.

bleachedsleet 5y ago
“Horse shit piling up in the roads is just our way of life. What would you have us do? Stop riding horses? How would we ever get anywhere? If you’re so smart, let’s have your proposed solutions given our present day limitations. I’m all ears.” ~ Someone a century or two before 1914 probably. Sarcasm and condescension do nothing to drive the conversation forward and really just mask your own ignorance to solving the problem as well. If a solution already existed to the degree that it was common knowledge in public forums then I guess there wouldn’t be a problem would there? The fact that massive divisions of companies like Alphabet (Calico) are dedicated to solving these problems seems to indicate that not all of us are deathists satisfied to recuse ourselves to mortality on the basis of some flimsy naturalistic fallacy. Edit: Typo, changed our to are
- jacquesm 5y ago
  > Someone a century or two before 1914 probably. Given the degree to which industrialization has gotten us in trouble they may well have had a point. Good luck re-designing all your cities for non-motorized transport once that luxury becomes unaffordable. Billionaires trying to extend their life-spans is as old as the Pharaos, 'deathists' is a great way to spell 'realist'. You too will die, get used to it and make your peace with it lest you die frustrated and old. Oh, and don't forget to give your fortune to de Grey, after all, if he can't nobody can, better to have him succeed and then allow you access to life eternal. In fact, everybody should give all their money to de Grey, that will all but guarantee success. This is how you spell immortality: cancer. The one thing that keeps us in check right now is death. Without that safeguard there would be very little standing between us and eventual total collapse. Right now we still have a chance.
stormageddon 5y ago
I didn't say I had solutions to propose. Lots of other people have though, I can do some googling for you if you like. What problems trouble you most?

MattPalmer1086 5y ago

I have also noticed this. Obviously life extension would create a bunch of problems (wealth accumulation, overpopulation) as well as solving others (short term thinking, cost of medical treatment in old age). But the vast majority of people in my experience instantly reject it citing some possible problem that might arise, and no further discussion can usually be had with them. I've come to believe that the subject of mortality just triggers a huge irrational reaction in most people. They don't want to think about it at all.

jacquesm 5y ago
It's very funny to call those that don't believe life extension should or will happen irrational. I think you have your parties mixed up. Thinking about something does not automatically make you rational, nor does thinking that something should happen. I don't think it is realistic, if for whatever reason it does happen I think we are not ready for it. That's all there is to it.
- MattPalmer1086 5y ago
  You misunderstand the point I am making. I am not calling all those who don't believe in life extension irrational. I am saying that in my experience, most people do not want to discuss it at all. They will bring up some obvious possible problem that might be caused by it, and then refuse any further discussion. I think (but don't know) that this is an irrational reaction to the topic of mortality.