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Well, it won’t be not the first time that the center of civilization shifts due to climate change… In Central Europe we are having rainy summers and mild tempe

by chewz 5y ago

Well, it won’t be not the first time that the center of civilization shifts due to climate change… In Central Europe we are having rainy summers and mild temperatures. I would love having some neighbours from California in my summer house…

hh3k0 5y ago
> I would love having some neighbours from California in my summer house… Well, you're in luck. It won't just be Californians, though. You'll have new neighbors pouring in from all over the world, cramming up in the liveable spaces that'll be left. It's gonna be cozy. And who knows, maybe you'll even have to spare a room or two of your house for them? Just as Germans had to when the refugees from the former eastern territories poured in after WW2.
- chewz 5y ago
  I was thinking more about exchanging gardening tips and salads. But please come over there is a lot of space from Vistula River to Ural and beyond… (we are rapidly depopulating) Just drop the doom and Millenarian attitude… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millenarianism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millenarianism
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  - hh3k0 5y ago
    > Just drop the doom and Millenarian attitude… Not sure if you and I read the same IPCC report, tbh.
- joelbluminator 5y ago
  Doesn't sound likely. You will be able to settle tens of millions of refugees in Greenland, Siberia etc. Former frozen wasteland will become habitable. I don't think Europe or the U.S will volunteer to absorb tens of millions of refugees if there are other solutions.
  - hh3k0 5y ago
    > I don't think Europe or the U.S will volunteer to absorb tens of millions of refugees if there are other solutions. Who said anything about volunteering? Europe couldn't stop ~1 million people from entering in 2015, so what makes you think they can stop 50 to 100 times that number? > Greenland, Siberia etc. Former frozen wasteland will become habitable "Billions of Acres of Cropland Lie Within a New Frontier. So Do 100 Years of Carbon Emissions: Crops grown on this land could feed a growing population. But if these soils are plowed, they could unleash as much carbon as the U.S. emits in more than a century." https://insideclimatenews.org/news/12022020/agricultural-frontiers-russia-canada-climate-warming/ https://insideclimatenews.org/news/12022020/agricultural-fro...
    - katbyte 5y ago
      There is a difference between wouldn’t stop and couldn’t stop, I don’t think Europe really tried that hard?
      - luckylion 5y ago
        It's much like they US could have technically stayed in Vietnam forever, but they didn't, because there was no popular support at home.
    - nsizx 5y ago
      Europe didn't try to stop them at all.
    - derriz 5y ago
      Europe - or Germany specifically - made a humanitarian decision to allow civilians, fleeing a civil war that had claimed half a million lives and displaced 5 million, refuge as per UN rules. They could easily have said no - like many most other European countries did.
    - joelbluminator 5y ago
      Europe didn't try to stop the Syrian refugees, it obviously has the political and military capabilities to settle people elsewhere. One million is manageable without Europe collapsing, 30-50 million is a different story. BTW Europe has already made a deal with Turkey to host millions of refugees there (on Turkish soil) so this is already happening. I think the political will to host more refugees, let alone tens of millions, is about zero in Europe.
tpm 5y ago
Where in Central Europe? Here (Slovakia) we have hot, dry summers.
- nosianu 5y ago
  Here in Bavaria, Germany, we just had and still have a normal German summer. Lots of rain, highest temperatures still below 30°C (86°F). The rains are more violent though, sudden, lots of water in a short amount of time, high winds, right now even hail (just passed through half an hour ago and there is a warning out for worse conditions in some areas). In another state we just lost well over a hundred people to floods, which is a gigantic number. So there's that too. Still, temperatures have been perfect. I got an A/C two years ago when we reached 40°C (104°F) which kept me cool for the two or three weeks when it was needed last year. It's just been standing in a corner this year, could have left it in storage. I remember, going to school in the 1980s in East Germany, when the thermometer reached 26°C (77°F) by 10 am we would get the rest of the school day off ("hitzefrei" - "heat free") - if I remember that correctly (if not I'm not far off). It happened only a handful of times in my ten years at that school. -- https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitzefrei https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitzefrei (German - showing the current state of that particular regulation for work places and schools, they depend on the state and what I see is similar to what I remember) This years rains were enough for parts of West and most of South Germany to get enough water into the soil, but East Germany still counts as drought area, map; https://www.ufz.de/index.php?de=37937 https://www.ufz.de/index.php?de=37937 -- Too bad that lots of East Germany has a lot of very large fields, so that's not good. Still better than the last few years that created those drought conditions.
  - tpm 5y ago
    Interesting, thank you. Yes, the rains are different here too, there is almost no quiet rain here anymore, it's violent and also it rains much less. Sometimes we go more than a month without any rain at all, which I could not imagine happening 10 or more years ago. Currently we are 100mm under the average on yearly basis, which combined with higher temperatures means everything is drier. And of course there are more hot spells and they are hotter, last few days were around 33-34°C, which is becoming more and more common. Although we don't get 40°C, for now.

by chewz 5y ago

hh3k0 5y ago

> I would love having some neighbours from California in my summer house… Well, you're in luck. It won't just be Californians, though. You'll have new neighbors pouring in from all over the world, cramming up in the liveable spaces that'll be left. It's gonna be cozy. And who knows, maybe you'll even have to spare a room or two of your house for them? Just as Germans had to when the refugees from the former eastern territories poured in after WW2.

chewz 5y ago
I was thinking more about exchanging gardening tips and salads. But please come over there is a lot of space from Vistula River to Ural and beyond… (we are rapidly depopulating) Just drop the doom and Millenarian attitude… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millenarianism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millenarianism
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- hh3k0 5y ago
  > Just drop the doom and Millenarian attitude… Not sure if you and I read the same IPCC report, tbh.
joelbluminator 5y ago
Doesn't sound likely. You will be able to settle tens of millions of refugees in Greenland, Siberia etc. Former frozen wasteland will become habitable. I don't think Europe or the U.S will volunteer to absorb tens of millions of refugees if there are other solutions.
- hh3k0 5y ago
  > I don't think Europe or the U.S will volunteer to absorb tens of millions of refugees if there are other solutions. Who said anything about volunteering? Europe couldn't stop ~1 million people from entering in 2015, so what makes you think they can stop 50 to 100 times that number? > Greenland, Siberia etc. Former frozen wasteland will become habitable "Billions of Acres of Cropland Lie Within a New Frontier. So Do 100 Years of Carbon Emissions: Crops grown on this land could feed a growing population. But if these soils are plowed, they could unleash as much carbon as the U.S. emits in more than a century." https://insideclimatenews.org/news/12022020/agricultural-frontiers-russia-canada-climate-warming/ https://insideclimatenews.org/news/12022020/agricultural-fro...
  - katbyte 5y ago
    There is a difference between wouldn’t stop and couldn’t stop, I don’t think Europe really tried that hard?
    - luckylion 5y ago
      It's much like they US could have technically stayed in Vietnam forever, but they didn't, because there was no popular support at home.
  - nsizx 5y ago
    Europe didn't try to stop them at all.
  - derriz 5y ago
    Europe - or Germany specifically - made a humanitarian decision to allow civilians, fleeing a civil war that had claimed half a million lives and displaced 5 million, refuge as per UN rules. They could easily have said no - like many most other European countries did.
  - joelbluminator 5y ago
    Europe didn't try to stop the Syrian refugees, it obviously has the political and military capabilities to settle people elsewhere. One million is manageable without Europe collapsing, 30-50 million is a different story. BTW Europe has already made a deal with Turkey to host millions of refugees there (on Turkish soil) so this is already happening. I think the political will to host more refugees, let alone tens of millions, is about zero in Europe.

tpm 5y ago

Where in Central Europe? Here (Slovakia) we have hot, dry summers.

nosianu 5y ago
Here in Bavaria, Germany, we just had and still have a normal German summer. Lots of rain, highest temperatures still below 30°C (86°F). The rains are more violent though, sudden, lots of water in a short amount of time, high winds, right now even hail (just passed through half an hour ago and there is a warning out for worse conditions in some areas). In another state we just lost well over a hundred people to floods, which is a gigantic number. So there's that too. Still, temperatures have been perfect. I got an A/C two years ago when we reached 40°C (104°F) which kept me cool for the two or three weeks when it was needed last year. It's just been standing in a corner this year, could have left it in storage. I remember, going to school in the 1980s in East Germany, when the thermometer reached 26°C (77°F) by 10 am we would get the rest of the school day off ("hitzefrei" - "heat free") - if I remember that correctly (if not I'm not far off). It happened only a handful of times in my ten years at that school. -- https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitzefrei https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitzefrei (German - showing the current state of that particular regulation for work places and schools, they depend on the state and what I see is similar to what I remember) This years rains were enough for parts of West and most of South Germany to get enough water into the soil, but East Germany still counts as drought area, map; https://www.ufz.de/index.php?de=37937 https://www.ufz.de/index.php?de=37937 -- Too bad that lots of East Germany has a lot of very large fields, so that's not good. Still better than the last few years that created those drought conditions.
- tpm 5y ago
  Interesting, thank you. Yes, the rains are different here too, there is almost no quiet rain here anymore, it's violent and also it rains much less. Sometimes we go more than a month without any rain at all, which I could not imagine happening 10 or more years ago. Currently we are 100mm under the average on yearly basis, which combined with higher temperatures means everything is drier. And of course there are more hot spells and they are hotter, last few days were around 33-34°C, which is becoming more and more common. Although we don't get 40°C, for now.