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Where do you get this war and famine being a control from? The information wasn’t even hard to find, war claimed 100m+ and famine 128mil. 228mil dead from these

Where do you get this war and famine being a control from? The information wasn’t even hard to find, war claimed 100m+ and famine 128mil. 228mil dead from these actions over 100 years vs 7.8billion. Is this an excruciatingly slow sink? https://ways-to-die.com/people-died-war/ https://ways-to-die.com/people-died-war/ https://ourworldindata.org/famines https://ourworldindata.org/famines

redis_mlc 5y ago
Prior to 1960, famine and war did limit population for thousands of years. Famine was an ever-present issue since virtually everybody on earth was a farmer, and one bad crop could be fatal to their family. That's still true today in much of Asia. The data period you're referencing is skewed by the US policing the globe since 1945, preventing major wars. Ironically, the country thought of as a new superpower, China, today imports about half of its food. So they face remarkable food insecurity in 2021, and rely on their top adversary for much of it.
chrisco255 5y ago
What made you think to begin your plot for percentage of human lives claimed by war and famine at 100 years ago? 100 years ago IS modern times. We had electricity, automobiles, tractors, trains, modern agriculture, artificial fertilizer, etc by then. But also, you are off by a great deal for the 20th century. World War II claimed 80 million+ lives. World War I 40 million+, alone. Not even factoring for civil wars, Vietnam, African wars, and violent purges in USSR and China. The population wasn't 7.8 billion 100 years ago. You have to plot your data as a function of time. You can't fast-forward to present time population and compare with past death counts to arrive at a percentage. Here's an incomplete list of famines in human history, many of which caused civilizations to collapse: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_famines https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_famines
- tekknik 5y ago
  > 100 years ago IS modern times. This is quite a bit subjective. If the statement was from prior to 100 years ago then that's my mistake. Perhaps we should say specific periods instead of subjective terms. > The population wasn't 7.8 billion 100 years ago. You have to plot your data as a function of time. If the claim that population is controlled via wars and famine, then the current population of 7.8 billion was not effected by this. The evidence is in that large number. Not that 228 mil is a low percentage of 7.8 billion, but that if this is in fact a sink then it's inefficient. > But also, you are off by a great deal for the 20th century. World War II claimed 80 million+ lives. World War I 40 million+, alone. Not even factoring for civil wars, Vietnam, African wars, and violent purges in USSR and China. Thanks for the updated data. And I agree that if we rewind more through history this may have been true. If modern times means >=1500 then ok. Modern times to me means some percentage of my life given the rate of change of the world I've experience as well as other factors.

redis_mlc 5y ago

Prior to 1960, famine and war did limit population for thousands of years. Famine was an ever-present issue since virtually everybody on earth was a farmer, and one bad crop could be fatal to their family. That's still true today in much of Asia. The data period you're referencing is skewed by the US policing the globe since 1945, preventing major wars. Ironically, the country thought of as a new superpower, China, today imports about half of its food. So they face remarkable food insecurity in 2021, and rely on their top adversary for much of it.

chrisco255 5y ago

What made you think to begin your plot for percentage of human lives claimed by war and famine at 100 years ago? 100 years ago IS modern times. We had electricity, automobiles, tractors, trains, modern agriculture, artificial fertilizer, etc by then. But also, you are off by a great deal for the 20th century. World War II claimed 80 million+ lives. World War I 40 million+, alone. Not even factoring for civil wars, Vietnam, African wars, and violent purges in USSR and China. The population wasn't 7.8 billion 100 years ago. You have to plot your data as a function of time. You can't fast-forward to present time population and compare with past death counts to arrive at a percentage. Here's an incomplete list of famines in human history, many of which caused civilizations to collapse: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_famines https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_famines

tekknik 5y ago
> 100 years ago IS modern times. This is quite a bit subjective. If the statement was from prior to 100 years ago then that's my mistake. Perhaps we should say specific periods instead of subjective terms. > The population wasn't 7.8 billion 100 years ago. You have to plot your data as a function of time. If the claim that population is controlled via wars and famine, then the current population of 7.8 billion was not effected by this. The evidence is in that large number. Not that 228 mil is a low percentage of 7.8 billion, but that if this is in fact a sink then it's inefficient. > But also, you are off by a great deal for the 20th century. World War II claimed 80 million+ lives. World War I 40 million+, alone. Not even factoring for civil wars, Vietnam, African wars, and violent purges in USSR and China. Thanks for the updated data. And I agree that if we rewind more through history this may have been true. If modern times means >=1500 then ok. Modern times to me means some percentage of my life given the rate of change of the world I've experience as well as other factors.