3 ms·

My argument is specifically that you can't justify banning something simply because you personally define it as "wasteful" and assert it has no value in your op

My argument is specifically that you can't justify banning something simply because you personally define it as "wasteful" and assert it has no value in your opinion.

qmmmur 5y ago
A large group of people have determined that it is wasteful and have therefore pushed to change it. I'm not a "lone thinker" in this regard. I can't imagine a world view in which you deem the disposal of straws, used entirely to suck liquids inside of probably an hour window, is not an easy problem to solve. I would also argue that such seemingly trivial changes are symptomatic of increasing reflection and movement towards the reduction of plastic, rather than as you paint it, some kind of virtue signalling exercise intended to piss off other people. At the end of the day, most people are not in control of global supply chains or have extenuating circumstances that inhibit their ability to contribute to the reduction of plastic waste beyond mitigating what they do and dont chuck out.
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]
- throwawaylinux 5y ago
  So we've established that you didn't understand what I wrote. > A large group of people have determined that it is wasteful and have therefore pushed to change it. I'm not a "lone thinker" in this regard. I can't imagine a world view in which you deem the disposal of straws, used entirely to suck liquids inside of probably an hour window, is not an easy problem to solve. I would also argue that such seemingly trivial changes are symptomatic of increasing reflection and movement towards the reduction of plastic, rather than as you paint it, some kind of virtue signalling exercise intended to piss off other people. At the end of the day, most people are not in control of global supply chains or have extenuating circumstances that inhibit their ability to contribute to the reduction of plastic waste beyond mitigating what they do and dont chuck out. Logical fallacies. None of what you wrote addresses what I wrote or the flaws in your assertion.
  - qmmmur 5y ago
    Okay let me make it real simple for you. Here is a definition of wasteful. > (of a person, action, or process) using or expending something of value carelessly, extravagantly, or to no purpose. So yes. It is extravagant to use a straw and then throw it out and it is wasteful especially when perfectly viable alternatives are available that do not produce plastic debris.
    - throwawaylinux 5y ago
      You still don't understand what I said. Unfortunately I don't think I can make it much simpler for you.

My argument is specifically that you can't justify banning something simply because you personally define it as "wasteful" and assert it has no value in your opinion.

qmmmur 5y ago

A large group of people have determined that it is wasteful and have therefore pushed to change it. I'm not a "lone thinker" in this regard. I can't imagine a world view in which you deem the disposal of straws, used entirely to suck liquids inside of probably an hour window, is not an easy problem to solve. I would also argue that such seemingly trivial changes are symptomatic of increasing reflection and movement towards the reduction of plastic, rather than as you paint it, some kind of virtue signalling exercise intended to piss off other people. At the end of the day, most people are not in control of global supply chains or have extenuating circumstances that inhibit their ability to contribute to the reduction of plastic waste beyond mitigating what they do and dont chuck out.

deleted 5y ago
[deleted]
throwawaylinux 5y ago
So we've established that you didn't understand what I wrote. > A large group of people have determined that it is wasteful and have therefore pushed to change it. I'm not a "lone thinker" in this regard. I can't imagine a world view in which you deem the disposal of straws, used entirely to suck liquids inside of probably an hour window, is not an easy problem to solve. I would also argue that such seemingly trivial changes are symptomatic of increasing reflection and movement towards the reduction of plastic, rather than as you paint it, some kind of virtue signalling exercise intended to piss off other people. At the end of the day, most people are not in control of global supply chains or have extenuating circumstances that inhibit their ability to contribute to the reduction of plastic waste beyond mitigating what they do and dont chuck out. Logical fallacies. None of what you wrote addresses what I wrote or the flaws in your assertion.
- qmmmur 5y ago
  Okay let me make it real simple for you. Here is a definition of wasteful. > (of a person, action, or process) using or expending something of value carelessly, extravagantly, or to no purpose. So yes. It is extravagant to use a straw and then throw it out and it is wasteful especially when perfectly viable alternatives are available that do not produce plastic debris.
  - throwawaylinux 5y ago
    You still don't understand what I said. Unfortunately I don't think I can make it much simpler for you.