> "the people actually doing the work on perl core don't seem to find the 'cruft' problematic." > There's the crux of it. It's open source, and the developers

> "the people actually doing the work on perl core don't seem to find the 'cruft' problematic." > There's the crux of it. It's open source, and the developers usually doing the most work seem to be the ones that are less socially... adjusted, while the 'community managers' and people broadly more interested in DEI are carrying less. Not quite true. The crux of my argument with sawyer was that the things he wanted to be removed as cruft were, so far as I understood it, very different from the things the people doing the C level hackery (which he's just good enough to have been a bloody effective cat herder and I'm so terrible at that I couldn't even have done that so just have to trust the people who are good at it). On top of that there'd already been most of a year of very passionate arguments leading up to that and he, and I, and almost everybody else involved, were risking burnout from them. Then I misjudged a conversation horribly and pushed a dear friend over the edge into flat out burnout. I didn't apologise for that because anybody made me to - in fact, the apology he deserved was delayed by months because the TPF CAT forbade me from contacting him even to apologise and told me that would be considered harassment if I did so. Then I discovered he didn't know that, and my friend had spent the time in between getting steadily more upset because he thought the lack of apology was because I didn't care, and I decided the TPF CAT could go fuck itself with a rake and they could sanction me if they liked for caring more about my friend than their orders, and talked to him and apologised anyway. We had a good conversation after that, and I only wish I'd done it sooner.