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The current American Antifa movement sprung up in direct confrontation to a government that was intent on violating every norm of democratic governance, and for
by deanCommie 5y ago
The current American Antifa movement sprung up in direct confrontation to a government that was intent on violating every norm of democratic governance, and forcing through regulations and laws that were borderline fascist.
Trump's America absolutely was heading in a fascist direction by the strict definition of the term ("a political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition").
While there is no one single organized Antifa leadership or central planning, the participants were generally united by a truly genuine goal of resistance to fascism.
And violence only broke out when instigated by the state forces, bolstered by the knowledge that local, state, and federal governments are in support of them.
- leereeves 5y agoI thought we were talking about "an antifa vs police standoff in Berlin" 15 years ago. But if you insist on talking about America, let me cite a recent example of Antifa dishonestly labeling anything they oppose "fascist". Antifa rioters attacked a protest against vaccine mandates yesterday in Los Angeles. They sprayed mace on the protestors and one protestor was stabbed. They claimed the protestors were fascists and billed their response as "no safe space for fascists". However anyone may feel about vaccine mandates, I challenge them to justify calling opposition to vaccine mandates "fascist". The really troubling thing about Antifa is that because they label everything they oppose "fascist", they feel justified using any measure to oppose it, like spraying mace and stabbing people. https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-08-14/anti-vaxers-face-off-with-counter-demonstrators-in-front-of-city-hall https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-08-14/anti-vax... https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/person-stabbed-vaccination-demonstrators-clash-outside-los-angeles-city-hall-n1276851 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/person-stabbed-vaccinat...
- NotSammyHagar 5y agoI find your comment misleading, with your article references doing the opposite of supporting your comment, especially from the latimes article. In the latimes article, it seemed to me the anti-vaccination group was doing the attacking - also the article does not mention antifa, the only "anti" it mentions is the anti-vaccination group, who seem violently oriented in that article. The nbc article does mention a group against fascism, but the attacking again seems to come from the anti-vax group. So I don't see these reports as against antifa, I only see the articles supporting the idea that anti-vaxers are prone to violence, at least in this incidence.