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So the only way to do messaging on this phone is insecure, severely limited carrier messaging (SMS)? This will probably turn away many people, even ones looking

So the only way to do messaging on this phone is insecure, severely limited carrier messaging (SMS)? This will probably turn away many people, even ones looking for simplicity.

s5300 5y ago
Friendly reminder: the average person (and likely more than the average person) literally does not care nor even consider something like that. I know most of us on HN do - but overwhelmingly, most people do not. The target demographic for this phone is likely to be the completely non-tech savvy/your old grandparents.
- fossuser 5y ago
  That’s not the real target market. The real demographic is the Silicon Valley iPhone user that fancies themself a minimalist and has an extra $300 to spend on a second phone for fun because it seems cool. Main issue for me is missing iMessage makes this an immediate no go for that. It’s not really their fault, but it’s the truth.
  - s5300 5y ago
    Maybe I'm missing something, but I thought that was the pinephone (or at least their end goal) or a heavily modded Android
    - fossuser 5y ago
      I think a lot of these niche products target that market - lots of disposable income and an interest in random gadgets.
  - lazide 5y ago
    Not true really IMO - it’s recovering smart phone addicts.
- lazide 5y ago
  It isn’t actually, near as I can tell as a user. It’s actually pretty painful to use to get anything done. The demographic is, ‘someone who needs basic phone functionality, but is trying to go cold turkey on distracting smart phone functionality’. If you need Signal, you’re probably also not in the demographic. The idea is - you should want to NOT be able to check Signal, because that is crack to you.
  - int_19h 5y ago
    Signal doesn't really have anything to induce the "endless scrolling" syndrome. It's just better IM than SMS, which this already has.
    - lazide 5y ago
      Signal groups can have tons of interesting chatter, kick off lots of discussions, etc. It may not be as pure as a FB feed, but it’s the same dopamine hit.

So the only way to do messaging on this phone is insecure, severely limited carrier messaging (SMS)? This will probably turn away many people, even ones looking for simplicity.

s5300 5y ago

Friendly reminder: the average person (and likely more than the average person) literally does not care nor even consider something like that. I know most of us on HN do - but overwhelmingly, most people do not. The target demographic for this phone is likely to be the completely non-tech savvy/your old grandparents.

fossuser 5y ago
That’s not the real target market. The real demographic is the Silicon Valley iPhone user that fancies themself a minimalist and has an extra $300 to spend on a second phone for fun because it seems cool. Main issue for me is missing iMessage makes this an immediate no go for that. It’s not really their fault, but it’s the truth.
- s5300 5y ago
  Maybe I'm missing something, but I thought that was the pinephone (or at least their end goal) or a heavily modded Android
  - fossuser 5y ago
    I think a lot of these niche products target that market - lots of disposable income and an interest in random gadgets.
- lazide 5y ago
  Not true really IMO - it’s recovering smart phone addicts.
lazide 5y ago
It isn’t actually, near as I can tell as a user. It’s actually pretty painful to use to get anything done. The demographic is, ‘someone who needs basic phone functionality, but is trying to go cold turkey on distracting smart phone functionality’. If you need Signal, you’re probably also not in the demographic. The idea is - you should want to NOT be able to check Signal, because that is crack to you.
- int_19h 5y ago
  Signal doesn't really have anything to induce the "endless scrolling" syndrome. It's just better IM than SMS, which this already has.
  - lazide 5y ago
    Signal groups can have tons of interesting chatter, kick off lots of discussions, etc. It may not be as pure as a FB feed, but it’s the same dopamine hit.