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You're ignoring extremely hot and dry environments like deserts. I struggle to drink enough water to urinate at all when working on my desert cabin in the summ

You're ignoring extremely hot and dry environments like deserts. I struggle to drink enough water to urinate at all when working on my desert cabin in the summer months. It's completely redefined my perception of how much water the human body can lose to perspiration alone.

chrisseaton 5y ago
> You're ignoring extremely hot and dry environments like deserts. I'm not - I've got professional experience managing healthcare in Helmand in the summer. You still don't need as much water as some people think. I don't know anything about your work or conditions, but my first recommendation would still be to make sure you're eating as much as you need, and then to drink less but more slowly.
- pengaru 5y ago
  I'd love for you to come build a roof with me in the Mojave in July and demonstrate this drink less water more slowly approach.
  - mcphage 5y ago
    > I’d love for you to come build a roof with me in the Mojave in July and demonstrate this drink less water more slowly approach. I’m not building a roof in any desert during the summer, and am also interested in this drink water more slowly approach.
- hinoki 5y ago
  I don’t have much experience with living in the desert, but when I hiked down the Grand Canyon I drank 8L and didn’t go to the bathroom. I also ate trail mix and protein bars, had lunch, etc. I was drinking as much as was comfortable to me, since I was worried about getting dehydrated, and still never needed to use the toilet until after the hike was over. I don’t think drinking less would have helped the situation.
  - pengaru 5y ago
    > I don’t think drinking less would have helped the situation. It might have if the unexpected happened and you needed the water to survive the next day. Water consumption when hiking/backpacking can be tricky, especially in hot+arid environments lacking known springs or streams.
    - hinoki 5y ago
      It was a day hike with plenty of taps to refill your water along the way.
      - pengaru 5y ago
        I had no idea they'd put in so much infra at the Grand Canyon, yeah I'd be drinking water like a fish :)
sjg007 5y ago
Make sure you drink a Gatorade or two as well. Pedialyte works as well.
- pengaru 5y ago
  Snacking on canned sardines in water (and drinking the broth) seems to work well enough, plenty of sodium. edit: Writing this comment has made me realize mixing powdered dehydrated boullion into the water would probably work quite well too. The ambient temps are so high the water is basically at hot soup temperature as-is.
- MiddleEndian 5y ago
  I've used Pedialyte (and equivalent convenience store alternatives[0]) after cutting weight for grappling, and occasionally also to prevent (or recover from) hangovers. Very useful drink. 0. Make sure they have Zinc!
- toddh 5y ago
  People aren't good at hydration, at least I wasn't, so at the risk of self promotion I have an iphone app called Max Hydrate - https://apps.apple.com/us/app/max-hydrate/id1575744883#?platform=iphone https://apps.apple.com/us/app/max-hydrate/id1575744883#?plat... - that calculates how much you should drink to stay hydrated. It's based on research and the most important parts are free. I had thought about it mostly for working out and athletes, but perhaps in warmer temps it has more general applicability. I've learned older people often suffer from dehydration without realizing it. It has a WUT test to test for dehydration and uses your sweat profile to suggest hydration products. There are a lot of options these days beyond Gatorade and Pedialyte. Most people don't get enough salt, so that's something to watch out for, especially if you are a salty sweater.

chrisseaton 5y ago

> You're ignoring extremely hot and dry environments like deserts. I'm not - I've got professional experience managing healthcare in Helmand in the summer. You still don't need as much water as some people think. I don't know anything about your work or conditions, but my first recommendation would still be to make sure you're eating as much as you need, and then to drink less but more slowly.

pengaru 5y ago
I'd love for you to come build a roof with me in the Mojave in July and demonstrate this drink less water more slowly approach.
- mcphage 5y ago
  > I’d love for you to come build a roof with me in the Mojave in July and demonstrate this drink less water more slowly approach. I’m not building a roof in any desert during the summer, and am also interested in this drink water more slowly approach.
hinoki 5y ago
I don’t have much experience with living in the desert, but when I hiked down the Grand Canyon I drank 8L and didn’t go to the bathroom. I also ate trail mix and protein bars, had lunch, etc. I was drinking as much as was comfortable to me, since I was worried about getting dehydrated, and still never needed to use the toilet until after the hike was over. I don’t think drinking less would have helped the situation.
- pengaru 5y ago
  > I don’t think drinking less would have helped the situation. It might have if the unexpected happened and you needed the water to survive the next day. Water consumption when hiking/backpacking can be tricky, especially in hot+arid environments lacking known springs or streams.
  - hinoki 5y ago
    It was a day hike with plenty of taps to refill your water along the way.
    - pengaru 5y ago
      I had no idea they'd put in so much infra at the Grand Canyon, yeah I'd be drinking water like a fish :)

sjg007 5y ago

Make sure you drink a Gatorade or two as well. Pedialyte works as well.

pengaru 5y ago
Snacking on canned sardines in water (and drinking the broth) seems to work well enough, plenty of sodium. edit: Writing this comment has made me realize mixing powdered dehydrated boullion into the water would probably work quite well too. The ambient temps are so high the water is basically at hot soup temperature as-is.
MiddleEndian 5y ago
I've used Pedialyte (and equivalent convenience store alternatives[0]) after cutting weight for grappling, and occasionally also to prevent (or recover from) hangovers. Very useful drink. 0. Make sure they have Zinc!
toddh 5y ago
People aren't good at hydration, at least I wasn't, so at the risk of self promotion I have an iphone app called Max Hydrate - https://apps.apple.com/us/app/max-hydrate/id1575744883#?platform=iphone https://apps.apple.com/us/app/max-hydrate/id1575744883#?plat... - that calculates how much you should drink to stay hydrated. It's based on research and the most important parts are free. I had thought about it mostly for working out and athletes, but perhaps in warmer temps it has more general applicability. I've learned older people often suffer from dehydration without realizing it. It has a WUT test to test for dehydration and uses your sweat profile to suggest hydration products. There are a lot of options these days beyond Gatorade and Pedialyte. Most people don't get enough salt, so that's something to watch out for, especially if you are a salty sweater.