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> But are they so insistent in the reverse; people who died with Covid unvaccinated but ‘from’ something else? Do you have any source that shows unvaccinated p

by rualca 5y ago

> But are they so insistent in the reverse; people who died with Covid unvaccinated but ‘from’ something else? Do you have any source that shows unvaccinated people who had covid and died of an unrelated cause (say, ran over by a truck) are being classified as covid-related deaths? It has already been established that covid is linked with multiple causes of death, and death by respiratory is not even the most common cause of death associated with covid[1]. Therefore it's reasonable to take a less exclusive approach to accounting deaths by covid, but I'd expect the same principle to be held regardless of whether a deceased was vaccinated or not. [1] https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-82862-5 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-82862-5

panny 5y ago
https://www.newsweek.com/florida-man-killed-crash-listed-covid-19-death-raising-doubts-over-health-data-1518994 https://www.newsweek.com/florida-man-killed-crash-listed-cov...
- rsfern 5y ago
  From the article you linked: > The [florida department of health] issued a statement explaining how COVID-19 deaths are determined, which noted: "COVID-19 is listed as the immediate or underlying cause of death, or listed as one of the significant conditions contributing to death. Or, if there is a confirmed COVID-19 infection from a lab test — and, the cause of death doesn't meet exclusion criteria, like trauma, suicide, homicide, overdose, motorcycle accident, etc." This instance seems like a pretty bad mistake to make, but at least it was found and corrected. Is there any evidence that this sort of thing is widespread enough to materially affect the stats in any way?
  - panny 5y ago
    >Is there any evidence that this sort of thing is widespread Yes, there's quite a lot. For example, check the WHO on influenza in the US between 2016 and 2021. https://apps.who.int/flumart/Default?ReportNo=7 https://apps.who.int/flumart/Default?ReportNo=7 https://i.imgur.com/TXmc53y.png https://i.imgur.com/TXmc53y.png What happened to 2020? Where'd all those deaths go? But I'm not playing this game again. >there's no evidence of that >there's no evidence of that being widespread >there's no evidence that it had a material effect on the outcome despite being widespread At some point you stop trusting the media that's lying to you or you simply accept everything they broadcast as unquestionable truth. I know which camp I'm in.
    - rsfern 5y ago
      I’ve analyzed the flu stats myself and the lower prevalence this year is not on its own compelling evidence that the Covid stats are fraudulent. I’m honestly curious if there is anything substantial to support the claim that there is widespread fraud that goes beyond a general mistrust of the government, media, medical establishment, whatever.

by rualca 5y ago

panny 5y ago

https://www.newsweek.com/florida-man-killed-crash-listed-covid-19-death-raising-doubts-over-health-data-1518994 https://www.newsweek.com/florida-man-killed-crash-listed-cov...

rsfern 5y ago
From the article you linked: > The [florida department of health] issued a statement explaining how COVID-19 deaths are determined, which noted: "COVID-19 is listed as the immediate or underlying cause of death, or listed as one of the significant conditions contributing to death. Or, if there is a confirmed COVID-19 infection from a lab test — and, the cause of death doesn't meet exclusion criteria, like trauma, suicide, homicide, overdose, motorcycle accident, etc." This instance seems like a pretty bad mistake to make, but at least it was found and corrected. Is there any evidence that this sort of thing is widespread enough to materially affect the stats in any way?
- panny 5y ago
  >Is there any evidence that this sort of thing is widespread Yes, there's quite a lot. For example, check the WHO on influenza in the US between 2016 and 2021. https://apps.who.int/flumart/Default?ReportNo=7 https://apps.who.int/flumart/Default?ReportNo=7 https://i.imgur.com/TXmc53y.png https://i.imgur.com/TXmc53y.png What happened to 2020? Where'd all those deaths go? But I'm not playing this game again. >there's no evidence of that >there's no evidence of that being widespread >there's no evidence that it had a material effect on the outcome despite being widespread At some point you stop trusting the media that's lying to you or you simply accept everything they broadcast as unquestionable truth. I know which camp I'm in.
  - rsfern 5y ago
    I’ve analyzed the flu stats myself and the lower prevalence this year is not on its own compelling evidence that the Covid stats are fraudulent. I’m honestly curious if there is anything substantial to support the claim that there is widespread fraud that goes beyond a general mistrust of the government, media, medical establishment, whatever.