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What we need to figure out how to do is to inoculate new developers against ever caring about the latest "opinionated framework/tech of the week" in the first p

by saurik 5y ago

What we need to figure out how to do is to inoculate new developers against ever caring about the latest "opinionated framework/tech of the week" in the first place :(.

beckman466 5y ago
> What we need to figure out how to do is to inoculate new developers against ever caring about the latest "opinionated framework/tech of the week" Capital dictates what tech is popular, not actual popularity or effectiveness. So abolishing Silicon Valley and the global north IP regime is the only strategy that cuts at the root of this problem.
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  Ultimately, yes, but good luck ending IP imperialism. It would force the global north to actually build what it's consuming instead of extracting rents from intellectual property. That won't happen.
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danellis 5y ago
Not making a thousand new "Top 10 Frameworks to Learn in 2021" videos every week would be a good start.
- saurik 5y ago
  FWIW, I believe those people are often the very amateurs who are drinking the koolaid themselves (and when they aren't they are parasites that are more "fans" of software that developers).
  - runawaybottle 5y ago
    Well, let’s talk about that. These bloggers are taking part in a type of traffic generation that either generates direct revenue, or indirectly generates leads via branding (let’s say they get paid for their reputation). What actually keeps that business model going? They have to write newer and newer shit about newer and newer shit. That’s the whole game. Very few of them ever write mea culpas - ‘Hey I pimped something to you guys for awhile, and it turns out that tech really sucked’ or ‘Woah, I’m so sorry about espousing this pattern or framework, it’s not that great’. That destroys credibility. I don’t really think they are sincere, the same way the media broadcasted everything Trump did to make him popular, followed by broadcasting everything bad he did because he’s the wave they needed to ride. The insincerity is not even close to being bad in tech compared to politics, influencers, etc, but it’s there.
andrekandre 5y ago
probably there are two or three aspects 1. most of these things are the "new old thing", and more experience/education/history would dampen enthusiasm for these re-hashes of old ideas 2. alot of people/tech is on a revenue treadmill (especially consultants and companies that want to market the new hotness) so we get bombarded with reinventions of the "flat tire"... its like junkfoods with new packaging NEW FLAVOUR! we keep falling for it... 3. our jobs as coders can be boring and we look for new toys for stimulation and make things interesting again... if only for a little while...
jimmaswell 5y ago
This goes too far for me. There's nothing wrong with trying out the tech of the week and learning from it. Just don't go crazy needlessly rewriting old code or adding new frameworks to things all the time.
quickthrower2 5y ago
They probably care because they want to stay employable. We live in a system where you can’t work you are fucked (for most people) so yeah learn React, Redux, NPM, css frameworks etc. Whatever is needed so you can get that pay rise or just stay employed. Also what are beginners doing who are trying to break into coding? Learning as many frameworks as possible. They want to get that first gig, rung on the ladder and double their salary from their non coding job before.
- saurik 5y ago
  So you are saying we need to figure out first how to make companies not get infected by the latest fad, so people don't think they need to learn the latest fad to get hired? I guess I was simply under the impression that companies only were developing with fad technology because amateur developers were attracted to the fads and kind of forced the companies to develop with them, in which case if developers didn't find them fun then companies wouldn't use them and they wouldn't be a sadly useful way to get hired...
  - sudosysgen 5y ago
    There's a bit of truth to both, imo. There definitely are companies that use new technologies for management or technical management to sound good, and certainly also to attract employees perceived as being into the latest fad.

by saurik 5y ago

What we need to figure out how to do is to inoculate new developers against ever caring about the latest "opinionated framework/tech of the week" in the first place :(.

beckman466 5y ago

> What we need to figure out how to do is to inoculate new developers against ever caring about the latest "opinionated framework/tech of the week" Capital dictates what tech is popular, not actual popularity or effectiveness. So abolishing Silicon Valley and the global north IP regime is the only strategy that cuts at the root of this problem.

sudosysgen 5y ago
Ultimately, yes, but good luck ending IP imperialism. It would force the global north to actually build what it's consuming instead of extracting rents from intellectual property. That won't happen.
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]

danellis 5y ago

Not making a thousand new "Top 10 Frameworks to Learn in 2021" videos every week would be a good start.

saurik 5y ago
FWIW, I believe those people are often the very amateurs who are drinking the koolaid themselves (and when they aren't they are parasites that are more "fans" of software that developers).
- runawaybottle 5y ago
  Well, let’s talk about that. These bloggers are taking part in a type of traffic generation that either generates direct revenue, or indirectly generates leads via branding (let’s say they get paid for their reputation). What actually keeps that business model going? They have to write newer and newer shit about newer and newer shit. That’s the whole game. Very few of them ever write mea culpas - ‘Hey I pimped something to you guys for awhile, and it turns out that tech really sucked’ or ‘Woah, I’m so sorry about espousing this pattern or framework, it’s not that great’. That destroys credibility. I don’t really think they are sincere, the same way the media broadcasted everything Trump did to make him popular, followed by broadcasting everything bad he did because he’s the wave they needed to ride. The insincerity is not even close to being bad in tech compared to politics, influencers, etc, but it’s there.

andrekandre 5y ago

probably there are two or three aspects 1. most of these things are the "new old thing", and more experience/education/history would dampen enthusiasm for these re-hashes of old ideas 2. alot of people/tech is on a revenue treadmill (especially consultants and companies that want to market the new hotness) so we get bombarded with reinventions of the "flat tire"... its like junkfoods with new packaging NEW FLAVOUR! we keep falling for it... 3. our jobs as coders can be boring and we look for new toys for stimulation and make things interesting again... if only for a little while...

jimmaswell 5y ago

This goes too far for me. There's nothing wrong with trying out the tech of the week and learning from it. Just don't go crazy needlessly rewriting old code or adding new frameworks to things all the time.

quickthrower2 5y ago

They probably care because they want to stay employable. We live in a system where you can’t work you are fucked (for most people) so yeah learn React, Redux, NPM, css frameworks etc. Whatever is needed so you can get that pay rise or just stay employed. Also what are beginners doing who are trying to break into coding? Learning as many frameworks as possible. They want to get that first gig, rung on the ladder and double their salary from their non coding job before.

saurik 5y ago
So you are saying we need to figure out first how to make companies not get infected by the latest fad, so people don't think they need to learn the latest fad to get hired? I guess I was simply under the impression that companies only were developing with fad technology because amateur developers were attracted to the fads and kind of forced the companies to develop with them, in which case if developers didn't find them fun then companies wouldn't use them and they wouldn't be a sadly useful way to get hired...
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  There's a bit of truth to both, imo. There definitely are companies that use new technologies for management or technical management to sound good, and certainly also to attract employees perceived as being into the latest fad.