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IPv6 is 25 years old and most companies and people do not care about it. In my opinion it's time for everyone to admit that it has been a failure and move on.

IPv6 is 25 years old and most companies and people do not care about it. In my opinion it's time for everyone to admit that it has been a failure and move on. The next internet protocol should have stronger arguments, and perhaps start with being interoperable with IPv4.

marto1 5y ago
In that spirit even USB didn't get it on the first try. Maybe something along the lines of IPv6 1.1 will do the trick. I'd focus on simplification and killer features.
deeblering4 5y ago
Interoperability is really a key thing. The complexity of managing additional ipv6 network bindings, routing, firewalls, service bindings, subnet math, etc, etc makes deployment a huge effort with little real world reward for most. Are there any sites that have fully migrated to ipv6? The sites that I’ve seen running v6 at all are doing so in parallel with v4, which I think just underscores your point.
rualca 5y ago
> The next internet protocol should have stronger arguments, and perhaps start with being interoperable with IPv4. Is there any argument that's stronger than having ran out of IP addresses? We already have service providers charging a premium for ipv4 addresses. Isn't that a good enough incentive?
- speedgoose 5y ago
  We still still have plenty of available ipv4. The current trend seems to be about using what's unused rather than migrating to ipv6. Some ipv4 can be sold thanks to NAT too. I personally would rather pay a cheap premium for a few ipv4 my company needs rather than having to migrate to ipv6. I would most likely still need a few ipv4 anyway.
  - rualca 5y ago
    > We still still have plenty of available ipv4 It really doesn't look like it. IANA already announced in 2011 that the free pool of addresses was depleted. Europe's regional internet registrou already announce two years ago that they already allocated their last remaining address pool, and now all they can do is manage a waiting list where they assign addresses of companies which went out of business. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv4_address_exhaustion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv4_address_exhaustion To further refute your point, here's an announcement from Hetzner stating that ipv4 prices skyrocketed due to the exhaustion of ipv4 addresses. https://docs.hetzner.com/general/others/ipv4-pricing/ https://docs.hetzner.com/general/others/ipv4-pricing/
cpach 5y ago
Isn’t IPv6 huge for mobile Internet connectivity…? IPv6 definitely has its issues. But I recommend you have a look at these graphs: https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html https://www.facebook.com/ipv6/?tab=ipv6_total_adoption https://www.facebook.com/ipv6/?tab=ipv6_total_adoption
welterde 5y ago
The issue is that it's impossible to make anything with more address space directly interoperable with IPv4 since it has a fixed 32-bit address space. Unless you consider NAT from your extended IPv4 towards IPv4 interoperable in which case IPv6 is already interoperable with IPv4 (since there is NAT64 among lots of other schemes). However you will always run into the exact same issues we are facing with IPv6 today.

marto1 5y ago

In that spirit even USB didn't get it on the first try. Maybe something along the lines of IPv6 1.1 will do the trick. I'd focus on simplification and killer features.

deeblering4 5y ago

Interoperability is really a key thing. The complexity of managing additional ipv6 network bindings, routing, firewalls, service bindings, subnet math, etc, etc makes deployment a huge effort with little real world reward for most. Are there any sites that have fully migrated to ipv6? The sites that I’ve seen running v6 at all are doing so in parallel with v4, which I think just underscores your point.

rualca 5y ago

> The next internet protocol should have stronger arguments, and perhaps start with being interoperable with IPv4. Is there any argument that's stronger than having ran out of IP addresses? We already have service providers charging a premium for ipv4 addresses. Isn't that a good enough incentive?

speedgoose 5y ago
We still still have plenty of available ipv4. The current trend seems to be about using what's unused rather than migrating to ipv6. Some ipv4 can be sold thanks to NAT too. I personally would rather pay a cheap premium for a few ipv4 my company needs rather than having to migrate to ipv6. I would most likely still need a few ipv4 anyway.
- rualca 5y ago
  > We still still have plenty of available ipv4 It really doesn't look like it. IANA already announced in 2011 that the free pool of addresses was depleted. Europe's regional internet registrou already announce two years ago that they already allocated their last remaining address pool, and now all they can do is manage a waiting list where they assign addresses of companies which went out of business. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv4_address_exhaustion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv4_address_exhaustion To further refute your point, here's an announcement from Hetzner stating that ipv4 prices skyrocketed due to the exhaustion of ipv4 addresses. https://docs.hetzner.com/general/others/ipv4-pricing/ https://docs.hetzner.com/general/others/ipv4-pricing/

cpach 5y ago

Isn’t IPv6 huge for mobile Internet connectivity…? IPv6 definitely has its issues. But I recommend you have a look at these graphs: https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html https://www.facebook.com/ipv6/?tab=ipv6_total_adoption https://www.facebook.com/ipv6/?tab=ipv6_total_adoption

welterde 5y ago

The issue is that it's impossible to make anything with more address space directly interoperable with IPv4 since it has a fixed 32-bit address space. Unless you consider NAT from your extended IPv4 towards IPv4 interoperable in which case IPv6 is already interoperable with IPv4 (since there is NAT64 among lots of other schemes). However you will always run into the exact same issues we are facing with IPv6 today.