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Sounds like wishful thinking to me. In the meantime, we are seeing the climate get worse year after year and we know that this is only the beginning. Moreover,

Sounds like wishful thinking to me. In the meantime, we are seeing the climate get worse year after year and we know that this is only the beginning. Moreover, there are non-linear effects at play that we can't even model, all of which will make the situation worse, none of which will make it any better. Doesn't seem very wise to bet human survival on technology that doesn't for the most part yet exist, and parts of which do exist don't work at scale with experts divided on future feasibility.

dclusin 5y ago
Political interest groups vociferously opposing allocation of funds commensurate with the scale of the problem probably also isn't helping. Heaven forbid we do anything that might help the oil companies.
- LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
  The thing is that they have brought this onto us. Beginning with Rockefellers 'gaslighting' up to EXXONs fully understanding in the 1980ies, and doing nothing about it. Why should one trust such entities? Greenwashing? Astroturfing? For all I care they can wash themselves with their own green vomit, because of all the divestement :-) F-U-C-K T-H-E-M A-L-L!
  - dclusin 5y ago
    It doesn't make sense to risk the lives of billions of people just to try and stick it to the oil companies. The conclusion that is implied by this type of sentiment is, "well if we don't give them a life raft then they will be forced to go out of business." The conclusion that if things get bad enough people will stop acting in self interest and start considering the greater good is questionable. The more realistic reality is imo people are going to continue to burn fossil fuels because it benefits them economically to do so. The situation 10 to 20 years from now is probably going to look more similar to today than not. Some countries make progress, but others increase their emissions. Internal combustion engines are too well understood and wide spread to conceivably ban. Our planet will boil if we don't develop carbon sequestering capability at scale. It doesn't seem fair to me to risk the lives of all those people that will die from climate related problems just because we don't like the oil companies.
    - LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
      Fair? I don't care. No risk? No fun! edit: TBH I'm SICK of all this apologizing smooth talking.
LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
Time will tell. Either we solve it through technology, or ecology will dissolve us, asceticism or not.
Mikeb85 5y ago
I have far more faith in humanity's ability to invent things than in our ability to consume less.
- dogma1138 5y ago
  Yeah while I fully acknowledge that multiple generations would likely suffer from adverse climate change including mine, I really don’t see it as an existential threat to humanity. We will find a technological solution for this, the question is when and at what cost. Civilization collapse and and a new dark age is really not in the cards for humanity our technology has progressed too far, we are about as too big to fail as it can get. The question is how many of us would get to benefit from the fruits of our labor in the long run.
marto1 5y ago
Just remember non-linear effects can go both ways.

dclusin 5y ago

Political interest groups vociferously opposing allocation of funds commensurate with the scale of the problem probably also isn't helping. Heaven forbid we do anything that might help the oil companies.

LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
The thing is that they have brought this onto us. Beginning with Rockefellers 'gaslighting' up to EXXONs fully understanding in the 1980ies, and doing nothing about it. Why should one trust such entities? Greenwashing? Astroturfing? For all I care they can wash themselves with their own green vomit, because of all the divestement :-) F-U-C-K T-H-E-M A-L-L!
- dclusin 5y ago
  It doesn't make sense to risk the lives of billions of people just to try and stick it to the oil companies. The conclusion that is implied by this type of sentiment is, "well if we don't give them a life raft then they will be forced to go out of business." The conclusion that if things get bad enough people will stop acting in self interest and start considering the greater good is questionable. The more realistic reality is imo people are going to continue to burn fossil fuels because it benefits them economically to do so. The situation 10 to 20 years from now is probably going to look more similar to today than not. Some countries make progress, but others increase their emissions. Internal combustion engines are too well understood and wide spread to conceivably ban. Our planet will boil if we don't develop carbon sequestering capability at scale. It doesn't seem fair to me to risk the lives of all those people that will die from climate related problems just because we don't like the oil companies.
  - LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
    Fair? I don't care. No risk? No fun! edit: TBH I'm SICK of all this apologizing smooth talking.

LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago

Time will tell. Either we solve it through technology, or ecology will dissolve us, asceticism or not.

Mikeb85 5y ago

I have far more faith in humanity's ability to invent things than in our ability to consume less.

dogma1138 5y ago
Yeah while I fully acknowledge that multiple generations would likely suffer from adverse climate change including mine, I really don’t see it as an existential threat to humanity. We will find a technological solution for this, the question is when and at what cost. Civilization collapse and and a new dark age is really not in the cards for humanity our technology has progressed too far, we are about as too big to fail as it can get. The question is how many of us would get to benefit from the fruits of our labor in the long run.

marto1 5y ago

Just remember non-linear effects can go both ways.