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I treat artificial sweeteners like I do mask wearing -- I'm not sure how much difference wearing a mask makes for my safety and safety of others, but I wear it
by Johnny555 5y ago
I treat artificial sweeteners like I do mask wearing -- I'm not sure how much difference wearing a mask makes for my safety and safety of others, but I wear it anyway because it's a very minor inconvenience and it probably helps.
I avoid artificial sweeteners because I'm not sure if they have any detrimental effects, but I avoid them anyway because it's a minor inconvenience, and whether they are actually harmful or not, they are almost certainly not nutritious and good for me.
(of course the big difference is that wearing a mask almost certainly helps others more than myself)
- abacadaba 5y agoI still tell myself stevia is better even though I'm not at all confident that it's true. I usually avoid/minimize but those flavored water squirt things get me. Edit: Mainly due to the effects of my body thinking it's getting sugar, no reason to think stevia causes cancer that I'm aware of.
- treeman79 5y agoFun factoid they are a major migraine trigger for many.
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- nvarsj 5y agoExcept mask wearing actually has scientific evidence for its effectiveness, and is why governments around the world recommend it. [1] Your rationale is based on personal bias against "artificial" substances. The same kind of quack reasoning that drives anti vaxers and other nonsense movements. [1] https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2776536 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2776536
- twerkmonsta 5y agoAren’t most “artificial” substances more likely to be carcinogenic or toxic than something occurring naturally? Or is that just my wacky personal bias talking?
- jaggederest 5y agoThere are plenty of "natural" carcinogens. Tobacco, for example, is perhaps the largest single cause of cancer in human history.
- twerkmonsta 5y agoI know there are natural carcinogens. That wasn’t my question. Tobacco is a plant. Cigarettes are a product made from tobacco with many “artificial” chemicals added. Cigarettes are the cause.
- jaggederest 5y agoTobacco is the cause. Raw tobacco usage straight off the plant is cancer-causing, there's no manipulation needed.
- SapporoChris 5y agoI will not disagree completely. But I will point out that nicotine by itself can actually have benefits that outweight the risks. Search "benefits of nicotine", yields a wealth of articles supporting this such as: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1859921/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1859921/
- jaggederest 5y agoAbsolutely, there are few weight loss / irritable bowel syndrome drugs more effective, though it is of course horribly addictive. But tobacco is a lot more than just pure nicotine, and that's where the problems come in.
- dragonwriter 5y ago> Tobacco is a plant. That is full of carcinogens. And nicotine, which IIRC isn't a carcinogen itself but instead promotes tumor growth once they form. > Cigarettes are the cause. Chewing tobacco is a great way to get (a different set of kinds of) cancer, too.
- sillysaurusx 5y agoBeing insulting isn't going to change anyone's mind. In fact, it'll probably persuade people in the opposite direction.
- parineum 5y agoArtificial sweeteners have even more evidence for the safety. I agree with your second point but I generally take a lot more issue with the lack of skepticism put towards the alternatives rather than the skepticism towards science. Evenly applied skepticism leads you to accept the thing which has the most evidence in support while also letting you change your mind if the evidence changes. The problem with the "alternative" medicine crowd is that evidence didn't lead them to their conclusion so evidence can't lead them out.
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- Johnny555 5y agoWhere is the science showing that artificial sweeteners are actually good for me? Or even better than natural sugars? Like I said, I don't know if artificial sweeteners are bad for me but I also don't know that they are good for me, so why use them? I don't eschew everything that might be bad for me I still enjoy wine and even the occasional slice of cake (which even if it's loaded with all-natural sugar which I am sure is not "good" for me), but it's not like my quality of life is lessened by not having more aspartame or even stevia in my diet.
- gruez 5y ago>Or even better than natural sugars? lower calories?
- TeeMassive 5y agoI'm pretty sure the increased cancer rates and cardiovascular incidents caused by obesity far exceeds the the little aspartame-cancer causation studies have demonstrated so far.
- WalterBright 5y agoHave diet drinks ever been successful at getting people to lose weight?
- Fergusonb 5y agoYes, when the replace sugary drinks in the diet. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4786736/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4786736/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4135487/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4135487/
- TeeMassive 5y agoWhy it wouldn't How replacing a high calorie drink by a low one does not create a decrease in caloric intake?
- WalterBright 5y agoBecause people who drink diet drinks tend to just eat more sugar from other sources.
- k__ 5y agoI noticed switching from juice to artificially sweetened iced tea, that I was more tired.
- TeeMassive 5y agoWhat if they don't? The "sugar craving" from artificial sweeteners is way overblown.
- yawaworht1978 5y ago
- tomp 5y agoIdeally you should be avoiding natural sweeteners as well.
- yawaworht1978 5y agoI don't think either sweeteners are bad, but I agree, beware of marketing terms like natural, bio etc. The companies are in it for the money and well, heroin is kind of natural too.