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The risks from Delta are negligible for children. Masking almost certainly stunts social development, by interfering with the use of non-verbal communication cu
by CryptoPunk 5y ago
The risks from Delta are negligible for children. Masking almost certainly stunts social development, by interfering with the use of non-verbal communication cues like facial expressions, etc.
EDIT: responding to below as I'm rate-limited
>>Do you have any actual evidence that this is true in school-age children (ages 5+)?
Yes, I've already provided the evidence. There was only one hospitalization with a positive covid result in 200,000 children aged 5 - 17 in the US in the week ending July 31st. The CDC page is linked above. The Delta variant was the predominant variant in the US in that period, so this definitively rules it out as a significant danger to children.
You can also look at the Delta variant data from England:
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/06/29/who-is-most-at-risk-from-the-delta-variant.html https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/06/29/who-is-most-at-risk-from...
>>Nonetheless, the data showed that there have been 117 deaths among people in England who had the delta variant with the majority being in the over-50 age group.
>>There have been eight fatalities among the under-50s with six of them in unvaccinated individuals and the other two in people who had received one dose.
I'd venture to guess that in the time period under study, there were ZERO covid delta variant deaths amongst children in the entirety of England. This would be funny if the destruction caused by this over-reaction wasn't so sad.
EDIT 2:
>>I asked for data to support your claim that masks stunt social development in school age (5+) children.
I don't have any data as we've never had a case of a large cross-section of children being masked for extended periods of their day, so no cause to study its effects. The burden of proof that it's safe is therefore on those advocating this untested policy.
Just common sense tells us masking will interfere with communication. Even doctors who are masked are perceived as less empathatic:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3879648/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3879648/
Beyond communication, masking interferes with heat dissipation, as it's at least one layer of insulating material on a highly exothermic part of the body. Subjecting almost all children to this for over a year is a massive over-reaction considering the actual risks posed by covid to children.
EDIT 3:
>>> I don't have any data
>>Thanks for clearing that up.
This is a bad faith response that ignores extremely important context and criticism of your masking advocacy.
What this and your other response show, is you don't want to take responsibility for the fact that the burden of proof is on you, to show that masking to this extent does not harm children's development.
EDIT 4:
>>dissipation? Social stigma? WTF?
Not a direct response to me from u/Steltek, but criticizing me to someone else, so I think I'm warranted in responding.
I never said anything about "social stigma". I said it would interfere with the development of communication skills, because it obstructs non-verbal communication cues like facial expressions.
And heat dissipitation is nothing to scoff at, given how much biological evolution has gone toward optimizing bodies to dissipitate heat efficiently, and the damage heat can do to biological organisms.
Any policy that impacts tens of millions of children deserves better than this knee-jerk "anti-masker" prejudice and petty partisanship.
- jasonlaramburu 5y agoDo you have any actual evidence that this is true in school-age children (ages 5+)?
- jasonlaramburu 5y agoI asked for data to support your claim that masks stunt social development in school age (5+) children.
- fullmoon 5y agoWe don’t have this data, because this is such an outrageous experiment, who would have thought to mask children for hour son end before 2020? I’d wager that no IRB board would have accepted such an experimental setup anyway. But we really should have the data before engaging in real-world experimentation on children. The closest we have is some data in macaques. https://massivesci.com/articles/facial-recognition-patches-brain-macaque/ https://massivesci.com/articles/facial-recognition-patches-b...
- jasonlaramburu 5y agoMany schools around the world have mandated masks for over a year. Show me one that has observed negative impacts on child development. My point is that folks on one side of the debate routinely accuse the other of making decisions based on ‘fear’ and not data, but then are guilty of the exact same thing when it supports their position.
- herewegoagain12 5y agoIt’s intuitively obvious that humans are social creatures after millions of years of evolution. There’s boatloads of knowledge around child development and how crucial it is to see facial expressions. You know, the stuff around mirror neurons, etc. But outside that common sense based in very well-understood science, there is evidence that the disruption to normal life is dropping childrens’ IQs substantially. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/12/children-born-during-pandemic-have-lower-iqs-us-study-finds https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/12/children-born-...