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That's true though. If you're a tier 1 network then you can advertise whatever you want, and if they cut you off on that advertised address, then you can cut yo

That's true though. If you're a tier 1 network then you can advertise whatever you want, and if they cut you off on that advertised address, then you can cut your peer's address off. And, if you're big enough, the peers can't just disconnect from you altogether or they themselves would lose connections to other peers. This is why BGP and the other routing protocols are so cool; you can get control of the internet if you just buy some routers and create a way to get advantageous peering relationships. It's an offer you can't refuse.

nsizx 5y ago
That's like saying that private property is worthless because the state can take it from you by force. Technically that's correct, but if that generally doesn't happen then it's not something we have to worry about.
- netr0ute 5y ago
  Can IPv4 even be defined as private property if it is nothing more than a few DDN numbers? I could make a Internet 2 that's totally isolated and restart the whole IP allocation process all over again.
  - remram 5y ago
    Given there is such a thing as intellectual property, where someone literally owns an idea, I'd say owning an address isn't far-fetched at all.
    - netr0ute 5y ago
      IP only exists because of copyright law, and it would be tricky to apply copyright to an IP if it is not a creative work.
- southerntofu 5y ago
  > if that generally doesn't happen That's a big if. I don't know where you're from, but here in France the State expropriating smaller landowners in order to achieve huge private-public partnerships (i.e. siphoning off public money right into the pockets of private companies, with little if any benefits for society) is common practice: see for example the ZAD in Notre dame des Landes for an example of popular outcry/resistance, or the expropriations and mafia-like intimidation/aggression for the "Grand Stade de Lyon". Of course, if you're a big landowner and/or close to the circles of power, you have nothing to worry about.

nsizx 5y ago

That's like saying that private property is worthless because the state can take it from you by force. Technically that's correct, but if that generally doesn't happen then it's not something we have to worry about.

netr0ute 5y ago
Can IPv4 even be defined as private property if it is nothing more than a few DDN numbers? I could make a Internet 2 that's totally isolated and restart the whole IP allocation process all over again.
- remram 5y ago
  Given there is such a thing as intellectual property, where someone literally owns an idea, I'd say owning an address isn't far-fetched at all.
  - netr0ute 5y ago
    IP only exists because of copyright law, and it would be tricky to apply copyright to an IP if it is not a creative work.
southerntofu 5y ago
> if that generally doesn't happen That's a big if. I don't know where you're from, but here in France the State expropriating smaller landowners in order to achieve huge private-public partnerships (i.e. siphoning off public money right into the pockets of private companies, with little if any benefits for society) is common practice: see for example the ZAD in Notre dame des Landes for an example of popular outcry/resistance, or the expropriations and mafia-like intimidation/aggression for the "Grand Stade de Lyon". Of course, if you're a big landowner and/or close to the circles of power, you have nothing to worry about.