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Interestingly enough, also has no covid restrictions [NO test, NO quarantine, NO vaccine]: https://www.travelinglifestyle.net/countries-without-covid-travel-res

Interestingly enough, also has no covid restrictions [NO test, NO quarantine, NO vaccine]: https://www.travelinglifestyle.net/countries-without-covid-travel-restrictions-no-test-no-quarantine/ https://www.travelinglifestyle.net/countries-without-covid-t... Would be great to see more remote friendly + no covid restriction places esp as other countries double down.

pavlov 5y ago
Genuinely curious why you think this no-test-no-vaccine regime is a good thing for remote workers. I’d feel much safer living in a country whose healthcare system isn’t constantly at risk of being overwhelmed by uncontrolled Covid spread.
- cinquemb 5y ago
  It's just my preference to not want to live in fear (i've long left the US) and have more freedom in practice (due to lack of ability for government to enforce or government practices). There are plenty of other countries that are increasingly catering to the opposite for those who want to feel safe over everything, plus will make it easy to meet up with friends from other places in the world who are also working remotely. I live in a country with less than 10% vaccination rate now, and there is plenty of hospital capacity to cater to non-covid related things, esp for ones that see more expats than not.
  - yosito 5y ago
    I also prefer not to live in fear, which is why I wear a seatbelt in a car, a harness and a rope while climbing, and get a vaccine when there is a pandemic. Not living in fear doesn't have to mean pretending that life has no risks. It's about being aware of what the risks are and taking appropriate measures to protect yourself.
    - cinquemb 5y ago
      > Not living in fear doesn't have to mean pretending that life has no risks. Ha, I faced more risks growing up when I had to avoid the local gangs walking to school as a kid than I do now. Most people never gave a shit about that (and still don't), esp those that didn't live there. I won't really pretend that people really care about my safety or the safety of others any more so than their personal preferences.
      - drooby 5y ago
        Sounds like you’d be great at Russian Roulette
        cinquemb 5y ago
        Yeah, a full clip pointed to your head? Though, I guess thats not much of Russian Roulette anymore :P
      - syops 5y ago
        I don’t understand your response. Getting vaccinated for Covid has orders of magnitude less risk than not getting vaccinated. Desiring to live where there are no vaccination requirements has nothing to do with wanting to be free. That you’ve lived through more risky situations than Covid has nothing to do with these facts.
        incrudible 5y ago
        > Getting vaccinated for Covid has orders of magnitude less risk than not getting vaccinated. I'm gonna have to fact-check that. In the UK, for under 50s with a delta infection, there is basically no risk reduction for death. For over 50s, the risk reduction is currently about 75%[1]. You would then have to scale that by the risk of getting infected, which would be a reduction of up to 90%, depending on when you got your vaccination and how well your immune system picked up on it. You might hit a single order of magnitude. [1] https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1009243/Technical_Briefing_20.pdf https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...
  - neither_color 5y ago
    I can confirm that latin america is pretty chill right now but I'd be more tactful about how you frame it. So many people have had no choice but to comply with some pretty harsh restrictions that even if deep down they want to agree with you they'll lash out and accuse you of being reckless and getting people killed, blaming you for their restrictions continuing, etc. This applies not just to your old compatriots scared to travel but the people in the countries youre visiting. Colombia, from your list, for example may be open now but a few months ago the cops were beating people for going out. Not "please sir go back inside" but literal beat downs. When locals explained it me all I could say was "yeah it was rough for us too(even though not really Im from a laid back state in the US)"
    - cinquemb 5y ago
      > but I'd be more tactful about how you frame it. Fair enough, but thats never really how i've been, and old habits die hard. > So many people have had no choice but to comply with some pretty harsh restrictions True, but the writing has been on the wall for a while in certain jurisdictions that could even enable governments to do such things. I have a lot of sympathy for those who wanted out but couldn't for whatever reason (this goes beyond covid). > Colombia, from your list, for example may be open now but a few months ago the cops were beating people for going out. Not "please sir go back inside" but literal beat downs Yeah, cops like to beat down folks for various reasons everyday throughout the world (some places more than others), with or without covid restrictions, and that sucks in general.
  - benjaminwootton 5y ago
    I’ll give you some support as I’ve also spent most of the last 18 months in countries with a more measured response to the virus. It’s difficult for me to go and do the nomad thing, but escaping the madness for a year or two would be my main motivation.
    - cinquemb 5y ago
      That's completely fair, all I'm saying is that i'm for people to have the choice and options to do so if they can and want to and live where they want to live. If people want to take more risk along one dimension compared to other things they care about, good! If they want to take less risk along another dimension for things they care about, that's good too! More governmental jurisdictions offering a variety of ways people can try to live the way they want to live is better than less, imo.
  - standardUser 5y ago
    I'm not sure why you would live in fear, regardless of location. Sounds like an unpleasant way to live. But we should all live smartly enough to avoid overwhelming healthcare systems with COVID cases, which is a pretty easy thing to do at this point and requires no fear whatsoever.
  - XargonEnder 5y ago
    I'm looking for a new country to move to, where can I get more freedom than USA?
yosito 5y ago
This is only great if you believe that covid is fake and/or have no concern for the health of the people who live in the country.
- poorjohnmacafee 5y ago
  Or, devil's advocate, if you believe it's a pretty low risk disease for most of the population, and that a novel mrna vaccine falls outside your risk tolerance. Or maybe you believe if you already have natural immunity from contracting covid you shouldn't need any restrictions at all. Or maybe you believe that mask mandates don't help much since the mask pores are 5k times larger than the size of this airborne (not aerosel) virus. Or maybe you understand that therapeutics exist, eg. how India is beating the virus with ivermectin which has been around forever and widely available. Or maybe you just think governments have overstepped and are on a slippery slope, as far as goes types of coercion methods, subtle or not, over your personal health choices. It's not black or white. There's a ton going on in this debate, and I think any healthy skeptic should continue to look at these things closely. I think there was just a Carnegie Melon study the other day saying that those with Phd's are unexpectedly vaccine hesitant vs. general pop. Just saying covid measures - vaccines - quarantines - there is a lot of room for debate right now.
  - tzs 5y ago
    > Or maybe you believe that mask mandates don't help much since the mask pores are 5k times larger than the size of this airborne (not aerosel) virus. The COVID virus is about 0.1 µm. The pores in a 3-layer surgical mask are about 50 µm to 500 µm in the first and third layer averaging around 100 µm, and 12 µm to 30 µm in the middle layer averaging around 13 µm. For a 3-layer N95 mask, it is 50 µm to 200 µm first layer averaging about 75 µm, 40 µm to 120 µm averaging 50 µm for the third layer, and 10 µm to 20 µm averaging 11 µm for the middle layer. If the only mechanism by which filtering of air worked was to catch particles that were too big to pass through the pores, then the virus would indeed go right through. However, that is not the only mechanism. Here's a short article from a filter company explaining the different mechanisms [1]. It is quite counterintuitive--as particle size goes down below the pore size efficiency starts to drop as you would intuitively expect but only for a bit and then as particle size continues to go down efficiency rises. [1] http://donaldsonaerospace-defense.com/library/files/documents/pdfs/042665.pdf http://donaldsonaerospace-defense.com/library/files/document...
gremloni 5y ago
No effort to fight a pandemic is categorically a bad thing.
admissionsguy 5y ago
They still do masks everywhere, I think, so I will pass for now.

pavlov 5y ago

Genuinely curious why you think this no-test-no-vaccine regime is a good thing for remote workers. I’d feel much safer living in a country whose healthcare system isn’t constantly at risk of being overwhelmed by uncontrolled Covid spread.

cinquemb 5y ago
It's just my preference to not want to live in fear (i've long left the US) and have more freedom in practice (due to lack of ability for government to enforce or government practices). There are plenty of other countries that are increasingly catering to the opposite for those who want to feel safe over everything, plus will make it easy to meet up with friends from other places in the world who are also working remotely. I live in a country with less than 10% vaccination rate now, and there is plenty of hospital capacity to cater to non-covid related things, esp for ones that see more expats than not.
- yosito 5y ago
  I also prefer not to live in fear, which is why I wear a seatbelt in a car, a harness and a rope while climbing, and get a vaccine when there is a pandemic. Not living in fear doesn't have to mean pretending that life has no risks. It's about being aware of what the risks are and taking appropriate measures to protect yourself.
  - cinquemb 5y ago
    > Not living in fear doesn't have to mean pretending that life has no risks. Ha, I faced more risks growing up when I had to avoid the local gangs walking to school as a kid than I do now. Most people never gave a shit about that (and still don't), esp those that didn't live there. I won't really pretend that people really care about my safety or the safety of others any more so than their personal preferences.
    - drooby 5y ago
      Sounds like you’d be great at Russian Roulette
      - cinquemb 5y ago
        Yeah, a full clip pointed to your head? Though, I guess thats not much of Russian Roulette anymore :P
    - syops 5y ago
      I don’t understand your response. Getting vaccinated for Covid has orders of magnitude less risk than not getting vaccinated. Desiring to live where there are no vaccination requirements has nothing to do with wanting to be free. That you’ve lived through more risky situations than Covid has nothing to do with these facts.
      - incrudible 5y ago
        > Getting vaccinated for Covid has orders of magnitude less risk than not getting vaccinated. I'm gonna have to fact-check that. In the UK, for under 50s with a delta infection, there is basically no risk reduction for death. For over 50s, the risk reduction is currently about 75%[1]. You would then have to scale that by the risk of getting infected, which would be a reduction of up to 90%, depending on when you got your vaccination and how well your immune system picked up on it. You might hit a single order of magnitude. [1] https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1009243/Technical_Briefing_20.pdf https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...
- neither_color 5y ago
  I can confirm that latin america is pretty chill right now but I'd be more tactful about how you frame it. So many people have had no choice but to comply with some pretty harsh restrictions that even if deep down they want to agree with you they'll lash out and accuse you of being reckless and getting people killed, blaming you for their restrictions continuing, etc. This applies not just to your old compatriots scared to travel but the people in the countries youre visiting. Colombia, from your list, for example may be open now but a few months ago the cops were beating people for going out. Not "please sir go back inside" but literal beat downs. When locals explained it me all I could say was "yeah it was rough for us too(even though not really Im from a laid back state in the US)"
  - cinquemb 5y ago
    > but I'd be more tactful about how you frame it. Fair enough, but thats never really how i've been, and old habits die hard. > So many people have had no choice but to comply with some pretty harsh restrictions True, but the writing has been on the wall for a while in certain jurisdictions that could even enable governments to do such things. I have a lot of sympathy for those who wanted out but couldn't for whatever reason (this goes beyond covid). > Colombia, from your list, for example may be open now but a few months ago the cops were beating people for going out. Not "please sir go back inside" but literal beat downs Yeah, cops like to beat down folks for various reasons everyday throughout the world (some places more than others), with or without covid restrictions, and that sucks in general.
- benjaminwootton 5y ago
  I’ll give you some support as I’ve also spent most of the last 18 months in countries with a more measured response to the virus. It’s difficult for me to go and do the nomad thing, but escaping the madness for a year or two would be my main motivation.
  - cinquemb 5y ago
    That's completely fair, all I'm saying is that i'm for people to have the choice and options to do so if they can and want to and live where they want to live. If people want to take more risk along one dimension compared to other things they care about, good! If they want to take less risk along another dimension for things they care about, that's good too! More governmental jurisdictions offering a variety of ways people can try to live the way they want to live is better than less, imo.
- standardUser 5y ago
  I'm not sure why you would live in fear, regardless of location. Sounds like an unpleasant way to live. But we should all live smartly enough to avoid overwhelming healthcare systems with COVID cases, which is a pretty easy thing to do at this point and requires no fear whatsoever.
- XargonEnder 5y ago
  I'm looking for a new country to move to, where can I get more freedom than USA?

yosito 5y ago

This is only great if you believe that covid is fake and/or have no concern for the health of the people who live in the country.

poorjohnmacafee 5y ago
Or, devil's advocate, if you believe it's a pretty low risk disease for most of the population, and that a novel mrna vaccine falls outside your risk tolerance. Or maybe you believe if you already have natural immunity from contracting covid you shouldn't need any restrictions at all. Or maybe you believe that mask mandates don't help much since the mask pores are 5k times larger than the size of this airborne (not aerosel) virus. Or maybe you understand that therapeutics exist, eg. how India is beating the virus with ivermectin which has been around forever and widely available. Or maybe you just think governments have overstepped and are on a slippery slope, as far as goes types of coercion methods, subtle or not, over your personal health choices. It's not black or white. There's a ton going on in this debate, and I think any healthy skeptic should continue to look at these things closely. I think there was just a Carnegie Melon study the other day saying that those with Phd's are unexpectedly vaccine hesitant vs. general pop. Just saying covid measures - vaccines - quarantines - there is a lot of room for debate right now.
- tzs 5y ago
  > Or maybe you believe that mask mandates don't help much since the mask pores are 5k times larger than the size of this airborne (not aerosel) virus. The COVID virus is about 0.1 µm. The pores in a 3-layer surgical mask are about 50 µm to 500 µm in the first and third layer averaging around 100 µm, and 12 µm to 30 µm in the middle layer averaging around 13 µm. For a 3-layer N95 mask, it is 50 µm to 200 µm first layer averaging about 75 µm, 40 µm to 120 µm averaging 50 µm for the third layer, and 10 µm to 20 µm averaging 11 µm for the middle layer. If the only mechanism by which filtering of air worked was to catch particles that were too big to pass through the pores, then the virus would indeed go right through. However, that is not the only mechanism. Here's a short article from a filter company explaining the different mechanisms [1]. It is quite counterintuitive--as particle size goes down below the pore size efficiency starts to drop as you would intuitively expect but only for a bit and then as particle size continues to go down efficiency rises. [1] http://donaldsonaerospace-defense.com/library/files/documents/pdfs/042665.pdf http://donaldsonaerospace-defense.com/library/files/document...

gremloni 5y ago

No effort to fight a pandemic is categorically a bad thing.

admissionsguy 5y ago

They still do masks everywhere, I think, so I will pass for now.