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I guess it is not the discussions about labor rights that are downvoted, but politically turning it into "capitalism bad, socialism good" when labor rights are

I guess it is not the discussions about labor rights that are downvoted, but politically turning it into "capitalism bad, socialism good" when labor rights are not specific to one of these options. It is similar to people pretending morality exists only within religion, human rights and labor rights are perfectly compatible with capitalism: positive example France, Germany, negative example - all the failed socialism attempts in the past 100 years, from Soviet Russia or North Korea to Venezuela and Cuba. Note: I see labor rights part of the human rights, not as an economic or government system. I definitely consider "progressive social issues" a fake term trying to suggest the notion that "progressive" is related to real (positive) progress, while "progressive" is a term the socialist movement in USA hijacked for their benefit, completely unrelated to "progress" as in the English language dictionary.

pessimizer 5y ago
> I see labor rights part of the human rights If you think people implying that advancing issues important to powerless people is positive progress is some evil socialist deception, it's strange that you've latched on to the term "human rights" as if it refers to anything that exists or can be enforced.
- AdrianB1 5y ago
  No, I am only saying socialism = progress is false. I am pro labor rights and more widely pro human rights, but I don't accept socialists hijacking the term "progress" for their benefit, they can be openly calling themselves socialists.
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rbjorklin 5y ago
> all the failed socialism attempts in the past 100 years, from Soviet Russia or North Korea to Venezuela and Cuba. As someone from Northern Europe I feel the need to point out that socialism != communism. The failed states you mentioned above all have/had a communistic rule. My impression is that media in the USA portrays these as being the same and evil which I don’t agree with.
- AdrianB1 5y ago
  (as someone from Eastern Europe) I agree with you, but the confusion is so widespread people get the wrong idea about it.
  - BLKNSLVR 5y ago
    I believe this confusion is intended, so that people get the wrong idea about it.
- BLKNSLVR 5y ago
  The unique-to-the-US narrative that socialism == communism is another valuable tool that works towards maintaining the current imbalance of power in the US (hence my comment above about how people vote).

pessimizer 5y ago

> I see labor rights part of the human rights If you think people implying that advancing issues important to powerless people is positive progress is some evil socialist deception, it's strange that you've latched on to the term "human rights" as if it refers to anything that exists or can be enforced.

AdrianB1 5y ago
No, I am only saying socialism = progress is false. I am pro labor rights and more widely pro human rights, but I don't accept socialists hijacking the term "progress" for their benefit, they can be openly calling themselves socialists.
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rbjorklin 5y ago

> all the failed socialism attempts in the past 100 years, from Soviet Russia or North Korea to Venezuela and Cuba. As someone from Northern Europe I feel the need to point out that socialism != communism. The failed states you mentioned above all have/had a communistic rule. My impression is that media in the USA portrays these as being the same and evil which I don’t agree with.

AdrianB1 5y ago
(as someone from Eastern Europe) I agree with you, but the confusion is so widespread people get the wrong idea about it.
- BLKNSLVR 5y ago
  I believe this confusion is intended, so that people get the wrong idea about it.
BLKNSLVR 5y ago
The unique-to-the-US narrative that socialism == communism is another valuable tool that works towards maintaining the current imbalance of power in the US (hence my comment above about how people vote).